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Sweden halts 'gender affirming' hormones/surgery in young people

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willingtolearn · 13/04/2022 21:31

personandidentity.com/sweden-changes-policy-saying-the-risks-of-hormones-and-surgery-outweigh-the-benefits/

Not sure if this has already been covered.

It moves from medicalisation to supporting gender dysphoric young people through psychotherapy, allowing them to explore 'why' they feel this way.

I would like to see us move to this model.

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Tiphaine · 15/04/2022 23:40

GNC, autistic, lesbian, gay, and Looked After children are all over represented in referrals to GIDS. Disrupting their ability to reproduce is going to have an effect as though eugenics was the aim.

MangyInseam · 15/04/2022 21:49

@Tiphaine

It seems like eugenics. How is it not eugenics?
The goal in eugenics is to increase or decrease certain types of dna or characteristics in the population. I don't think that is the goal here.
Tiphaine · 15/04/2022 11:00

It seems like eugenics. How is it not eugenics?

Datun · 15/04/2022 04:37

@Lovelyricepudding

One of the doctors stated that puberty blockers (in children) are the equivalent to chemical castration

puberty blockers (in children) are the same drugs as used for chemical castration

Although I knew this, its just striking me afresh and taking hold in my head.

They're chemically castrating children before they complete puberty because of an ideology.

MoltenLasagne · 14/04/2022 19:45

Very positive news, I hope that Sweden documents all this change clearly so it creates a proper evidence base for the outcomes of watch and wait and pushes other countries to follow the same path.

nauticant · 14/04/2022 12:26

In this area calling things by their right names would help considerably. See also "top surgery", "cis-woman", etc.

Lovelyricepudding · 14/04/2022 12:23

One of the doctors stated that puberty blockers (in children) are the equivalent to chemical castration

puberty blockers (in children) are the same drugs as used for chemical castration

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willingtolearn · 14/04/2022 11:41

www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/02/23/sweden-trans-healthcare-puberty-blockers/

From the other side of the argument - but discusses in detail how far it will affect clinical practice, it being 'clinical guidelines' rather than law.

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SallyLockheart · 14/04/2022 08:57

[quote ResisterRex]Is this development linked to this documentary?

www.svtplay.se/video/33358590/uppdrag-granskning/mission-investigate-trans-children-avsnitt-1[/quote]
I watched that. One of the doctors stated that puberty blockers (in children) are the equivalent to chemical castration.

Nellodee · 14/04/2022 08:54

I just watched the video. It seems that the treatment centres around Sweden all reacted differently to previous recommendations with some halting puberty blockers and some carrying on with business as usual. Do these new recommendations have the weight to force those continuing with business as usual to rethink their policies? My suspicion is that it will take more court cases before there is enough pressure to guarantee real change in some of these establishments.

When one of the treatment centres was questioned about the case of "Leo" and his bone density issues, an individual doctor said that the family should have been informed about this known risk. Instead of raising an incident report about the injuries resulting from the poor healthcare given, the centre instead raised an incident report about the alarmist misinformation given by the doctor who indicated this was a known risk.

I think some of these establishments have too many skeletons to risk admitting there is even a closet.

WarriorN · 14/04/2022 07:42

Thanks for all of that in one place Nec. V useful.

That article is heartbreaking littl.

NecessaryScene · 14/04/2022 06:51

Here are all four SVT documentaries

The Trans Children

We need Panorama or the equivalent here.

Closest we've had is multiple reports by Hannah Barnes and Deborah Cohen for Newsnight:

(Links dug out from this thread)

ResisterRex · 14/04/2022 06:21

Dyson I used some of it for my response to the conversion therapy consultation. Osteoporosis is a big issue in it.

Warrior I remember now. I think I started watching one actually, I will have to try to find it and watch again.

We need Panorama or the equivalent here.

There is some useful information on this thread which I'm going to read today Smile

Slothtoes · 14/04/2022 00:45

That’s brilliant, what a relief for kids in distress, and I agree it’s huge.

Presumably they will now be doing research in Sweden comparing outcomes from the old invasive medicalised approach against the new talking therapy approach too - which will be very useful evidence globally.

Saltyquiche · 13/04/2022 23:46

Sounds sensible

Datun · 13/04/2022 23:43

Given there's no such thing as being born in the wrong body, then the obvious thing to do is to address why children get gender dysphoria.

Why? What causes it?

TRAs don't want it to follow that path. They want it to be something innate that is just 'there'.

Given there's fuck all evidence for that, and overwhelming evidence for it being several other things, then, absolutely, psychotherapy should be the only real treatment.

nepeta · 13/04/2022 23:29

@KittenKong

I assume this is because they were further down the line - starting doing this on mass scale earlier than the U.K.? So how long before we catch up (I’m ignoring the US/Canada because I think they are too far gone)
I don't think they were further down the line, but I think they were able to use what has happened in the UK and the US etc. as guidance.
KittenKong · 13/04/2022 22:55

I assume this is because they were further down the line - starting doing this on mass scale earlier than the U.K.? So how long before we catch up (I’m ignoring the US/Canada because I think they are too far gone)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2022 22:51

That's painful reading littlbrowndog
Unforgivable what's happening to our daughters,

nepeta · 13/04/2022 22:49

They are going to follow the Dutch model, they say, in how to address gender dysphoria in those under eighteen.

littlbrowndog · 13/04/2022 22:43

This terrible story. Linked to the above

My heart my heart for these children

personandidentity.com/living-in-a-war-zone-my-daughters-tragedy-in-slow-motion/

LizzieSiddal · 13/04/2022 22:41

Huge news, I hope we follow very shortly.

DontLikeCrumpets · 13/04/2022 22:36

@Moodlesofnoodles

I'm all for psychotherapy as long as the therapist isn't a gender ideologue.The question is how to determine the therapist's bias?

WarriorN · 13/04/2022 22:09

Seems to say so in first para, they've issued official health board guidance after a leading pead hospital changed tack.

tabbycatstripy · 13/04/2022 22:04

Brilliant if so.

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