My Lib Dem candidate says that you are a woman if you feel like a woman

@334bu There is nothing in my post that casts blame on anyone. I am in agreement with regard to her stance and I am merely pointing out that if she doesn’t rethink her position on womens rights, she risks losing her seat (which she probably does care about, even if women rights don’t seem that high up her/the LDs agenda) because many, many women in her constituency won’t vote for a party that won’t defend womens rights

Sadly all the parties with the exception of the Tories and whatever UKIP call themselves now have completely sold out on this issue. However, although Johnson may know what a woman is, neither he nor his party, judging by their policies and voting record, believe that they are anything but inferior.

I just long for this madness to end.

The Tories are the only party you can trust to do the right thing by women and for that they will be getting my vote.

Didn't they get a massive donation from a pharmaceutical company who make puberty blockers?
Ferring pharmaceuticals?
So they are just sell outs. I wonder if anyone is paying to pull the strings of the SNP or have they lost the plot of their own accord

From her social media and responses to some local constituents writing about the conversion therapy legislation, it seems like she is fully on board with the LD party line on gender ideology; this could become an electoral problem for her in the next GE if LD/Lab women become or stay single issue voters on this and withhold their vote.

Well maybe she should take a long hard look at what gender ideology means for womens rights? Why us it our fault if a Tory gets in ,?

@SpinningMeSoftly Daisy Cooper is a first term MP, elected, in part, thanks to Tory and Labour voters voting for her as well as LDs. She is the first LD MP in her constituency and replaced a very unpopular Tory MP at the second attempt. She has established herself very quickly as a incredibly effective local constituency MP who cares very much about constituents, works very hard and is very communicative. (She was already established as a pretty savvy operator at Westminster)
From her social media and responses to some local constituents writing about the conversion therapy legislation, it seems like she is fully on board with the LD party line on gender ideology; this could become an electoral problem for her in the next GE if LD/Lab women become or stay single issue voters on this and withhold their votes/spoil ballots in significant numbers - particularly if combined with Tory voters returning to the Tories (for this, or other reasons)

This is bigger than any one party. Apart from the Tories, it's a fact that Greens, Lib Dems and Labour all bemoan the presence of so-called T3rfs in their ranks.

And all have small numbers of unpleasant, usually young, people actively acting against the interests of women.

And by saying - oh it's just a fringe issue - as Starmer and Davey have done, they cede power to the activists

I popped over to the LibDem Voice website to see ether there were any green shoots of recovery and found this -

www.libdemvoice.org/we-must-adopt-a-jenkinsite-approach-to-support-trans-people-70165.html

In the comments there are a few sensible responses, rejecting TERF etc. Not enough to give me any confidence but a bit of progress...

Incidentally about the Covid sex evidence bit on that 'debunking' document. There is still evidence that females with premenstrual levels of oestrogen have some protection against serious Covid. However, postmenopausal women taking HRT don't seem to have any extra protection, and therefore it is vanishingly unlikely that transwomen will have 'female' Covid risk profiles. Just chucking synthetic hormones at a body doesn't recreate the complex physiological interaction between endogenous hormones and the immune system, which as we all know is different in men and women.

Predictions of a huge surge in Lib Dem seats at the local elections. As a voting issue this cuts through only with very small numbers. I think it mostly benefits Tories rather than damages other parties- ie it makes some Tory voters who were considering something else return to the fold

She seems really out of touch, apart from anything else. Doesn't she listen to the news?

That men with beards shouldn't be allowed in women's loos but if they look like women that is ok
Alex Drummond and his beard are gonna be pissed.

The Lib Dems and Labour are absolutely the top parties around here, no-one else gets a look in really.

Of the two, I'm guessing Labour perhaps has more of a handle on the issues, but God knows really.

That Lib Dem debunking guide is terrible. And yet I find it hard to come up with concise rebuttals to it - it's so hard to argue properly against something that isn't argued well in the first place!! I wish there was a site that debunked the debunking.

The last Lib Dem guy who came 2-3 years ago told me, when I said that his party clearly didn't want people like me in it, that it was such a 'complicated issue' and when I said that they clearly weren't for me if they were actively telling women not to join if they didn't think TWAW, he kind of agreed and went on to the next house. No interest in debating or trying to convince me. He was only about 21, so not sure if he was so taken in by the ideology that he just thought I was a hopeless bigot and not worth the effort; or whether he actually agreed with me generally but felt that other things in the party were more important (it was when they were keen to get back in the EU). In any case, he was just not up for a debate about it.

So, tell us, OP, will you be voting for her?

She sounds like a bona fide genius!
Give her an award. Has she a Twitter account I can follow?

I think the LibDems are lost which is why I left.
I was a very active member, Councillor etc

My experience was that there was always some misogyny in the party. I don't think that the tide will be turned back until we experience large scale societal change.

I take my hat off to the GC women still left in there. I was cheering when I saw Bness Ludford asking questions.

The Lib Dem candidate for my ward knocked on the door at the start of this week. I’ve been reading threads on the FWR board for long enough to think I ought to talk to him.

Essentially he says he “sits on the fence” on these issues. I then asked him, if he were elected and the official Lib Dem policy was to welcome (trans people into women’s changing rooms at the Council-run swimming pools*), how would he vote? He said he would abstain.

I should have asked him what would be the point of voting for him in that case, but I didn’t think of that at the time.

He said this is something that he and his family discuss a lot over the dining table at home. He said (I don’t think I asked) that his wife was a professor. When I asked what of, he said something I don’t exactly remember and Ethics, so they probably do.

Although it wasn’t what I would prefer to have heard, at least he had thought about it, unlike the OP’s candidate, and wasn’t just parroting the answers from that scary Debunking Lib Dem list.

It’s probably relevant to say that I live in a small university city. My ward has two Lib Dem councillors and one Labour.

*I think this was the example I gave. Something similar anyway.

What I can never get my head around is, surely, if a man truly "felt" Iike a woman, they would completely understand why, and accept that, women don't want men in spaces where women are vulnerable.

The fact that these men don't accept or understand that is surely evidence/proof that they really don't know what being a woman feels like.

Sorry for the poor punctuation, I'm trying to articulate what I mean.

This is entirely the reason that the Lib Dems have lost my vote #respectmysex

And what exactly is feeling like a woman ........ you like having long hair? You want to cook a meal every night for your family ? You like to wear stilletos?you like cutesy fluffy things? I'd love to know.

So she’s really working hard for your vote then @IDontHaveAnOutingHobby!

That debunking guide is quite astonishing.