Women's cycling - major sponsor pulls out as policies are not 'trans inclusive'

It really wouldn't be that difficult for an athlete to perform at less than maximum in order to give the desired outcome.

I think Emily Bridges rather let slip something along those lines a fewyears back when he said he would be working with Joanna Harper 'to show how performance drops after transition' or something along those lines.

www.skysports.com/more-sports/cycling/news/15264/12101251/emily-bridges-coming-out-as-trans-in-cycling-is-a-crucial-step-on-my-journey

Dr Harper has said, disingenuosly in my view, that she was surprised that the IOC took her study of 8 transwomen who were distance runners of varying standards (not particularly elite IIRC) and applied it to all sport, across the board in 2003.

The really remarkable bait and switch has been sport organisations saying people can compete by gender with minimal evidence on why that should be, who now present this situation as the status quo which will need evidence to change. A really remarkable political fuck you to women.

They said their performance dropped after reducing testosterone. But, iirc, the two different readings were 10 or 20 years apart.

Harper has since said maybe the more recent, proper studies are more accurate.

I hope the TRAs are inclusive in their protests and turn up at the tour de France too. Or is it still only women who have to make space for everyone else?

The early studies apparently showing that trans women had no advantage had big methodological problems.
That's interesting. How did they come to those conclusions? Do you know much about the studies?
I'm just really surprised because I know how strict they are about everything else!

It's only in the last two years that more professionally done studies have shown the lasting effects undergoing male puberty have on the male advantage. Current levels of testosterone don't matter very much compared to the levels that existed for decades before a male person transitioned.

I've gone through the fpfw and sex matters tweets but can't find the garden... help please? Or is this being organised differently to the previous gardening events?

So likely not a wealthy entrepreneur type.

And also highlights that any sporting event dependent on a single sponsor needs to have a back up plan for funding in case that sponsor pulls out unexpectedly (been there, done that).

Here.

Then 'red hand' and 'hands off our rights' is the FPFW logo. It's used in their campaigns. And, iirc from the maya Forstater case, is based on a well known artistic style.

It's not a new thing.

I'm completely baffled about how we've ended up with males (even post transition) competing against females and sporting bodies saying it's ok, studies apparently showing trans women have no advantage against biological males?! I'm no biologist but that just seems so obviously untrue.

And I'm equally baffled that trans women can't just compete alongside males - it's just physical sex categories, it doesn't make anyone less trans, surely. I understand that taking hormones will negatively affect performance but it's a personal choice to do that.

It's just completely illogical to me! How is this the mainstream position?

Um. Wouldn't use the big red hand. Bit too close to the MMIW red handprint across the face image. Would not want to risk detracting from their work highlighting some incredibly vulnerable women.

What is Mx Stanton's source of wealth?

I agree with the hot potato comment. However, the offer was there, the publicity was there, and if this has alerted other potential sponsors to the race then it's all good, and we can save our gardening for more court cases.

Interesting rewording in the bbc article: 'Boris Johnson said transgender women should not compete in female sporting events.'

Actually he said biological males, which is an awful lot clearer.

It would have been great if they could've been sponsored by FPFW, but I could totally understand it if the organisers decided it would be too hot a potato.

[quote 334bu]www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/61098474[/quote]
After a plea for support on Tuesday, Clews said the response had been "absolutely incredible".

However, he said he had reservations of accepting offers from campaign groups for fear of "politicising" the race.

"At the present time, myself and colleagues are considering that [offer] amongst other options that might be available to us from commercial sources," he said.

"We want this event to continue into the future and therefore we would prefer to link with a partner or number of partners who are able to give us financial backing for a number of years ahead, so we're not in the same position next year as we've found ourselves in this year.

"Secondly, and this is important to appreciate, we are a cycling event, our objective is to pursue women's cycling and to promote it at its highest possible level in this country but I have colleagues who have reservations with regard to the potential link to women's rights groups that might indicate to anyone out there, or certain individuals out there, a politicising of the event."

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/61098474

Mr Stanton has blocked me on Twitter - I’m heartbroken I tell you!!

As a sports lover I am sure Mr S knows what an own goal is. Back of the net Pete!

Just done some gardening.

Great thread MN. Peter (stuff it) Stanton has just been handed his arse.

That's made my day! I shall be planting a few extra dahlias for Sex Matters and FPFW this evening.