Starmer says biology matters for 99.9% of women

To be fair, a lot of people on this thread are jumping to conclusions about what his / Labour’s position on prisons, changing facilities are, etc but I would like to hear it from the horse’s mouth. Does anyone know what his stated position is? Genuinely curious.

Although this is important to 99.9% of women, we are going to ignore their needs and focus on ensuring that any men who feel oppressed can be pandered to.

He's trying to play both sides and he is failing.

Women are biologically female adult humans. They never, ever have a penis. Transwomen are biologically male adult humans who wish to identify as the female gender . Their sex can never change. Ever. The vast majority still have a penis (and looking at the surgical procedure involved in reshaping it I can't blame them for keeping the penis) . When Kier Starmer says this I will have slightly more respect for him.

"but I don’t want to leave out of account the smaller group of people who really do struggle with their gender identity.”

The BUT there ruins the first part of what he says.
He's conflating sex and gender.
And the 99.9% figure he gives what on earth is he on about.
I won't be voting for him that's for sure.

I also think he needs to be specifically asked about self I.D.
He's never clear cut and dances around it all.
He just annoys me, I am sick of hearing about 'the struggle of trans,' what about the women and children?
Fed up with it.

Well but of course that’s what I meant. Gaslighting, backtracking arsehole. What a disappointment they are.

Now just need Sturgeon to get with it.

Wanker. Women is not a mixed sex group

How could they not have seen it before?

Arrogance and "no debate". They've backed themselves into a massive echo chamber the result being that they all believe their own propaganda. They've finally started to emerge from the echo chamber and slammed head first into reality. Must be a bit of a shock!

Yes, they should. We know he thinks some women have penises. Now does he think those ‘women’ should be sharing accommodation/changing facilities with women and girls?

He’s still saying the same thing though really, that some men are women. They should ask him the Staniland question.

What a load of guff

Keep on trying with new versions

I don’t understand how he doesn’t get that men taking our word for ourselves and changing its meaning without democratic discussion and consent is entitled misogyny.

I still don't really understand, after years of trying, how a man who is dissociated from his body and identifies strongly and painfully with some stereotypes of the opposite sex, is literally the same as me. Saying it's only a teeny tiny number doesn't help either.

quite frankly i do not trust the Labour Party and until that changes they will not speak in my name

It's a slight change from ' for the vast majority of women' which was the line at the end of March

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To be honest I'm giving up.

If the Labour front bench want to be cowards then there's nothing I can do about it.

Yep he’s not even near it , is he? Got to keep those mini Jimmy Savilles onside

Born with a gender?

Really?
I had high hopes for Keir - but he is a such a disappointment.

Too little too late Keir, and still factually wrong.

And as for - "There is a small minority of people who were born with a gender that they struggle with and don’t identify with" - how do you know that? Because they tell you? Are you sure they're all telling the truth? That none of them are just predators who find saying the magic words a lot easier than training to be a priest / social worker /Oxfam disaster worker / any job with a disproportionate share of aggressors? Not one?

I am VERY tired of the 'most oppressed, most marginalised' shite. Some will be, but not all. In fact I'd bet damned few fall into that category, given how common being a creepy man is, and how attractive saying the magic words must be to them.

Still not enough to win back my vote. Starmer and labour need to try harder than that.

That is really not enough to overshadow his previous comments and stupidity on the subject.

It sounds like a load of political waffle trying to backtrack without actually admitting he was wrong.

Looks to me like he may have realised he's made a catastrophic blunder and is now trying to back track but in a cowardly way. He needs to do much much more.
This suggests to me he thinks 0.01% of women are male. Funny how many of them are currently in women's prisons. Its OK though they are very rare so it obviously doesn't matter in Starmerland. Crack on.
Doesn't mention the safeguarding of vulnerable children.
Not good enough.