Starmer says biology matters for 99.9% of women

He's behaving like an abusive man who's been dumped/had the police called on and is saying whatever he has to to reel the abused spouse (women in this case) back in.
Let's be honest he has as much intention of changing his/labour's beliefs/policies on this as the abusive males (in above analogy) do and I believe him even less than said male

@Datun

I had high hopes for him when he became leader especially after Corbyn but I’ve been disappointed. Where has any clarity in what he says gone to? Mealy mouthed, fence sitting and trying to pacify everyone.
Well Keir, you can’t. Women matter. Our rights and the words we use to describe ourselves matter. And many of us are very angry.

Is Momentum still a thing in the LP? If it is, then he absolutely KNOWS these men are not like Hinge and Brackett.

The other thing is, giving him benefit of the doubt here, maybe he still thinks it's old school transexuals using our spaces. I mean surely by now he knows better, but ok.
We now say no to them too.
No one asked us back then, no one ever asked me. We rescind our acceptance of sharing spaces with any male born over about the age of 8ish.

Further, labour will have to do a lot more than just say words now. I expect a plan of some kind to make males stay out. If that plan costs money, I expect to know where that money will come from too.

It's aggravating how often he says he wants to be clear whilst proceeding to spew shite.

Kier will need to be much more honest about what that means for safeguarding female spaces because his statement is vague and open to interpretation

@Datun [grin
He knows he's got to try to appeal to women because the number crunchers have told him, but do I believe he's genuine?

I really want to be clear exactly what he’s trying to say, but I’m still not.

It's actually disgusting how little he thinks of us. Not only are we to be a costume for men, we are also simple minded enough to be swayed by wish wash. Starmer is limp as old lettuce.

My rights are still not his to give away.

Fuck him. And I say that as a fucking member of the Labour Party. He is a weak weasel and I don’t trust him at all.

Labour thinks men belong in women’s spaces if that is what men want.

Still not clearly saying that men are the ones with the penises, women do NOT have penises, men can never be women or vice versa, and that a woman is an adult human female, or that biological men do not belong in women's protected safe spaces and facilities.

So a cowardly knob then.

Trying to weasel back into women’s good books but it’s bulllshit. The key message is that he still thinks TWAW.

He needs to own what he’s said previously and explain himself properly if he expects to be taken seriously. Can women have penises or can’t they? Which is it kier?

Beep beep, this MP is reversing

Beep beep, this MP is reversing

Beep beep, this MP is reversing

Too late for me. They casually threw women under the bus for political purposes. I won't be manipulated back into the fold.

Anyway he still hasn’t defined women, if these trans women aren’t an adult human female what is it that makes them a woman.

The GRA creates a legal fiction, that’s all.

So weaselly, still not getting my vote.

Honestly, right now I wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.
He's shown massive errors of judgement over this and that he is incapable of understanding and navigating complex issues.
He needs to go and Labour needs another leader.
Rosie Duffield can have a go. She's got more balls than he does.

‘To be fair, a lot of people on this thread are jumping to conclusions about what his / Labour’s position on prisons, changing facilities are, etc but I would like to hear it from the horse’s mouth. Does anyone know what his stated position is? Genuinely curious.’

‘Labour will protect single sex spaces.’

Big buts:

1. He thinks people can change sex.
2. He admits services can exclude TW from single sex spaces in very limited circumstances, but he doesn’t say what those circumstances are. I think he mentioned refuges once.

His position seems similar to the SNP’s. They seem to jog along with the line that TWAW, so can use single sex spaces almost all the time, but ‘case by case’ a service might exclude an individual transwomen in extraordinary circumstances.

Effectively - hard to tell what he means but it doesn’t sound like protecting single sex spaces to me.

Only 70,000 women have penises, according to Keir!!! That's an awful lot of penises (read MEN) in women's spaces.

That's quite a low estimate as well. Although there is no reliable data on this according to the .gov website. Despite this Stonewall estimate 1% of the population are trans (including those who call themselves NB). So approx. 700,000 with approx. 350,000 of those being people with penises.

So he's still not saying anything other than that men should be counted as women if that's what they want.