Monsoon

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@TheAbbotOfUnreason completely ignoring the point being that mixed changing rooms have been around for years with no issue. [/quote]
@wishitwasaduvetday

Nope, not ignoring that at all.

I shopped in Gap in the late 80s / early 90s and whilst I don’t particularly remember how changing rooms were segregated I’m pretty sure blokes weren’t wandering in and out of where I was trying stuff on.

I’d also say your experience of working there 17 years ago is not that relevant to today, where anyone thinks they can self ID as a woman and use women’s spaces with impunity.

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@PonyPatter44 my local one closed down about 6 months ago so if they have now gone it's very recent. But a lot of the high street has gone. All of the Arcadia brands for a start! They never had mixed changing rooms for the decades they had stores in uk. My point is this is not a new thing. Pick your battles. Fight to save the spaces where it makes a real impact... sports, hospital wards, swimming room showers... these need to be single sex. Shop changing rooms being mixed isn't an issue. [/quote]
Single sex changing rooms are specifically mentioned as an example in the EQA2010 single sex exemptions -

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

Gap is a rather odd example to use. A quick look at Gap's website shows that they sell categories of clothes which includes categories for women, men, teenagers, children, babies and maternity. Monsoon sell two categories of clothes - women and children.

Therefore, it's not outlandish that women shopping in a women and children's clothing store would not expect there to be grown men in the changing rooms. The person who complained seems to have simply been asked to wait to allow the women then using the space to finish up and leave. But this seems to have been unacceptable.

I'm a wee bit confused by young Charlie,born male now uses she/they but is non binary yet is fundraising for gender reassignment.

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@TheAbbotOfUnreason completely ignoring the point being that mixed changing rooms have been around for years with no issue. [/quote]
Except that isn’t true, women are more at risk in mixed sex changing rooms and there is evidence.

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@TheAbbotOfUnreason completely ignoring the point being that mixed changing rooms have been around for years with no issue. [/quote]
There have been issues

In all sorts of changing areas…

@TheAbbotOfUnreason completely ignoring the point being that mixed changing rooms have been around for years with no issue.

I suppose you'd better boycott Gap too. (Although there's been no issues for 20 years).

Gap no longer has any UK stores, so a boycott would be a bit pointless?

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@LK1972 did you read my reply? So because an incident involving a pervert paedophile (not a trans person wanting to try on a dress) happened in a town close to you all shared changing rooms should be banned?! Should probably ban all men from childrens play grounds too by that rationale. [/quote]
I don't use mixed sex spaces where I undress, if at all possible, due to personal experience of male sex over 50 years and stories like these.

If Monsoon confirm their changing rooms are mixed I won't shop there, like I haven't in GAP since encountering men in changing room.

This is all about personal choice, if you don't care about stripping off next to men, good for you, spare a thought for those different to you.

Since we all have free choice about how we respond to Monsoon’s centring of Charlie’s male at birth and still displaying male entitlement hurty feelings and their move to mixed sex changing rooms I have also added Monsoon and Accessorise to my personal list of shops I won’t be shopping in anymore. All the money I’m saving is going to the crowdfunders for womens rights.

@PonyPatter44 my local one closed down about 6 months ago so if they have now gone it's very recent. But a lot of the high street has gone. All of the Arcadia brands for a start! They never had mixed changing rooms for the decades they had stores in uk. My point is this is not a new thing. Pick your battles. Fight to save the spaces where it makes a real impact... sports, hospital wards, swimming room showers... these need to be single sex. Shop changing rooms being mixed isn't an issue.

@LK1972 did you read my reply? So because an incident involving a pervert paedophile (not a trans person wanting to try on a dress) happened in a town close to you all shared changing rooms should be banned?! Should probably ban all men from childrens play grounds too by that rationale.

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@LK1972 voyeurism offences can happen anywhere. You can find an article to argue pretty much everything.
For example ... carrots should be banned from schools to prevent this... torontosun.com/2015/10/25/school-says-baby-carrot-used-as-weapon

I suppose you'd better boycott Gap too. (Although there's been no issues for 20 years). [/quote]
Gap doesn't have shops in the UK any more, does it?

[quote wishitwasaduvetday]@KittenKong it doesn't say "women changing room" above the door? Unless your argument is that it's women clothes... but then you'll upset all the mums who get offended by childrens clothes being separated into boys and girls as clothes are just clothes right?!!

They don't do bra fittings in monsoon. The changing room is no different from how Gap changing rooms have been for decades. Actually monsoon have better curtains on theirs! [/quote]
It’s a woman’s clothing shop. Who would you expect the chanting rooms to be for?

Yeah, because that other story from 2015 in Virginia, and the other from this fucking month and around the corner from me.

And you're comparing those two stories, did you read what I sent?

@KittenKong it doesn't say "women changing room" above the door? Unless your argument is that it's women clothes... but then you'll upset all the mums who get offended by childrens clothes being separated into boys and girls as clothes are just clothes right?!!

They don't do bra fittings in monsoon. The changing room is no different from how Gap changing rooms have been for decades. Actually monsoon have better curtains on theirs!

What are you missing? It was a woman’s changing area - they allow anyone in because they say they want to? What’s the point?

@LK1972 voyeurism offences can happen anywhere. You can find an article to argue pretty much everything.
For example ... carrots should be banned from schools to prevent this... torontosun.com/2015/10/25/school-says-baby-carrot-used-as-weapon

I suppose you'd better boycott Gap too. (Although there's been no issues for 20 years).

He was told to wait! He wasn’t humiliated, pointed at and laughed at. He wasn’t thrown into the street by a security guard yelling ‘pervert! Peeping Tom!’ He was asked to wait to enter a place he had no right in entering.

Aw the poor man wanted to play with the pretty dresses and was told No. So he kicks off on social media and gets a reward. And their main customer base is patted on the head and told to be nice.

I won't be buying from them again. And probably 30% of my middle age wardrobe is from Monsoon.

Not just any male, a male policeman, and the stuff they found on his hard drive is the worst. This year. But hurray for mix-sexed changing rooms

Some women don’t like it. Some women can’t use them for various reasons. Why have a woman’s changing room of you allow males to use them?

Why is it now a gas for males to try to access them then pitch a fit when they are told no? Then kick up a fuss and organise like ons to the wicked women who said ‘no’?