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Lorna Slater says those who oppose gender reform like racists or climate change deniers.

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MiladyBerserko · 11/04/2022 06:45

Fucking mental. That's all

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4fa452b0-b91b-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=f4a408e524a7c1893096db25b6967f0a

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DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 12/04/2022 21:04

DomesticatedZombie your post about performing gender norms has really helped me to understand what is going on for autistic people. Thank you.

HirplesWithHaggis · 12/04/2022 20:36

@334bu

Being discussed on the Nine BBC Scotland tonight.
With India Willoughby, apparently.
Indiana2021 · 12/04/2022 20:22

Another one promoted beyond her abilities.

She has a child like view of the world, but the SNP would have agreed to anything to get their coalition govt.

Nicola's got a lot to answer for.

334bu · 12/04/2022 20:12

Being discussed on the Nine BBC Scotland tonight.

LK1972 · 12/04/2022 12:42

Oh, it seems to have done the token Smile

LK1972 · 12/04/2022 12:42

Also a news article on this issue, good quotes from MBM and Scottish Tories, sorry, can't do share toke on the phone :
Slater criticised for likening trans law opponents to antisemites and racists

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/290f3310-b9af-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=01666b4741326603f8737d00f65e58ad

Rhannion · 12/04/2022 12:12

Alex Massie has been excellent.

SallyLockheart · 12/04/2022 12:07

excellent article. thanks for that Igneococcus.

Igneococcus · 12/04/2022 11:53

I'm not sure if this has been shared anywhere yet. Alex Massie's comment in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1a9c126-b9ad-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=d1b1e78deb8f308edf742cb960efb542

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 20:39

Yes. Very good point. Thats what she's saying - she's cognisant of sexism and consciously works to uphold it.

LK1972 · 11/04/2022 18:08

So instead of fighting the gender norms, like many women have done and do, she consciously chose to 'perform' her gender, and then seems to think she's doing it to make other people feel better.

Yay, what a feminist! If only women just performed their gender better, we wouldn't have all this nonsense of women's rights Hmm

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 17:06

As if Lorna has some special insight.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 17:06

100% ditalini. It's an utter insult to pretend women aren't completely aware of gender, what it expects and demands of us, every fucking minute of every day.

ditalini · 11/04/2022 17:03

I am fairly neurotypical but I've been aware of "performing" gender my whole life. I think most women are extremely aware - it's not like there's no consequences when you slip.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 16:58

neurotypical people are also performing gender, but because they do it based on unconscious cue that they pick up, they aren't conscious of doing it

Frankly, Lorna - how dare you?

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 16:54

Slater is not trans, but has this to say on her own feelings about 'gender'

twitter.com/lornaslater/status/1270956807176028165

As an autistic person (former girl) who has struggled with gender issues, I can assure you that there is a world of difference between being autistic and struggling with gender issues and being trans. Although, it would have been a comfort to me as a child to be able to discuss

and explore these matters, rather than just being told I was doing 'girl' wrong. If there was no stigma around being trans, we could have had those kind of conversations. If we allowed kids to express who they are without fear, we could get rid of the stigma. #TransAlly

As an autistic person I've leaned to 'perform' to conform and that includes having to 'perform' my gender so as to help make other people more comfortable. That is what forcing gender conformance on autistic children is. Giving us one more thing we have to do to make you feel OK.

The ironic thing here is that neurotypical people are also performing gender, but because they do it based on unconscious cue that they pick up, they aren't conscious of doing it. Autistic people don't pick up these cues, we have to consciously decide how to

perform our gender. Not surprising then that autistic people are more likely to challenge gender assumptions; we literally have to think about it in a way that neurotypical people don't. Neurotypical people think they just 'are' their gender.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 16:44

And this is on wiki, can't find a reference, though:

' in 2019 Slater came third in the selection for the Green Party's Lothian list. Alison Johnstone got 191 first votes, Andy Wightman got 133 votes and Slater got 36 votes. '

DomesticatedZombie · 11/04/2022 16:33

Comment on teh Times article:

'she came fifth (out of five) in her constituency with 1,721 votes'

KimikosNightmare · 11/04/2022 13:54

Isn't it amazing that an elected representative can make a claim like that without any evidence at all? It makes her seem deranged

Well "elected representative" might be debatable. The Greens got 1.8 % of the constituency vote and 8% of the list vote.

A party with 8 % of the vote is dictating policy in exchange for propping up the separatists.

Rhannion · 11/04/2022 13:53

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SwissBall · 11/04/2022 13:47

I will probably get deleted and/or banned for asking this, but is Lorna Slater trans? It’s the voice and height rather than anything else.

MangyInseam · 11/04/2022 13:42

Given that people like John McWhorter and even Trevor Phillips are considered racists these days, I'm not sure that's an accusation that has a lot of force.

Which is too bad but thems the breaks.

RoyalCorgi · 11/04/2022 12:21

@EdithStourton

Off her trolley. And bloody abusive.

Also, I'd love to know where all these $$$$ from right-wing Americans are going. Not my bank account, that's for sure.

Isn't it amazing that an elected representative can make a claim like that without any evidence at all? It makes her seem deranged.
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