Times on Sex Matters survey: 8 in 10 teachers say their secondary school has trans or non-binary pupils

Well, I don’t know about anyone else but I feel ready for my exam.

right you are

you're losing your temper. I suggest stepping away from the keyboard

Please, we’re all listening.

Ok. Finished. Did you hear it?

‘In particular educate yourself on the difference between sex and gender. You are posting on the feminism board after all.’

Why don’t you educate us right now?

What is gender?

Where is it located in the human biological system?

What evidence is there that it is innate?

How many genders are there?

Please, we’re all listening.

i have read the material

1. it teaches 'gender identity' as if it were an undisputed fact that it's exists
2. it used to say there are 'clearly' more than 2 sexes
3. it conflates people with disorders of sexual development with people who identify as trans and tried to imply that those born with DSDs are neither male nor female
4. it buys wholesale into the concept of a gendered brain, something which never goes well for women

why don't you read it?

Sorry - to refer to the child as ‘he’ now

It isn’t just the trans child affected in these instances either. My dd’s class were given a 1hr talk last week as there is a transitioning child coming back to school after a period off. From dds description the young girl is autistic and has been very much captured.

The children were told to be kind, to refer to the child as ‘she’ now and to collude in a material lie. It’s utter gaslighting, TRA by stealth if you like! Of course they will anyway but they have no choice? Interestingly the girl had a specific interest in a subject at school being taught by a transwoman. This particular teacher spent an entire lesson showing the children an LGBT website earlier in the term. Encouragement and affirmation at every stage with no room - no…punishment for anyone who questions. Something has to change.

Everyone is a loser, the most awful consequences obviously for the trans child who will at worst be a lifelong patient and at best suffer serious mental health issues.

Quite apart from the direct experience of women on this thread, places like Mermaids and Allsorts are completely upfront about the lesson plans they take into schools. From the Genderbread Man, to the gender spectrum of Barbie to GI Joe. Their teaching aids are all over the Internet. It's not exactly a secret.

So much so, that the DfE have had to insist that all lessons of this nature must be evidenced based, and that children displaying stereotypical behaviour of the opposite sex must not be affirmed as trans, or having a gender identity.

Christ, the teaching from Gires, or gendered intelligence, I can't remember which, actually suggested that transitioning cured autism.

Where do you think all the gender neutral toilets in schools have come from? Advice and guidance from Stonewall. In direct breach of the equality act.

And telling children that one will keep their secrets is a direct breach of safeguarding protocols.

It is never acceptable.

May I suggest you look at the links that people are providing, in order that you can better understand the situation.

"can you not see me or something"

Of course I can't see you you are posting on an internet forum FFS.

I think you need to read the material you posted more carefully. In particular educate yourself on the differenc between sex and gender. You are posting on the feminism board after all.

You really have no idea what's going on do you?

I was lucky with my dd she also said "my body is perfect as it is isn't it mum "

But I dread to think what other kids thought. Especially at 10 as that's a time alot are well into puberty.

Walksen

If you’re a teacher, you are one of the reasons people are concerned. This bad faith engagement just makes parents skeptical that we can trust you with our children.

"I notice that there is absolutely no acknowledgement of the poor mental health experienced by the current cohort of secondary school girls"

I think you need to read my post more carefully.

I notice there is no acknowledgment that schools are far too busy dealing with these issues and pandemic fallout to take part in such a grand conspiracy? Who is leading it? Bill gates?

' "transition" from male to female'

direct quote from the teaching materials I have linked to which are recommended by Hampshire county council

what is transitioning from male to female if not changing sex?

Here’s new guidance from Sex Matters and TransgenderTrend. Quotes the interim Cass review extensively and makes the same safeguarding points as many posters here have done this morning.

sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Guidance-for-schools-in-England-2022.pdf

"operations to change sex"

Well I don't believe that's what her teacher told her because I am sure you are aware you cannot have an operation to change sex. Do you honestly believe her teacher was implying/ encouraging her to get change in front of Boys?

And is about pointless getting indignant/threating on an internet forum.

Anyone who posts on here that school activists are conspiring to exploit mental illness to turn their daughters into transmen is being hysterical. That's my opinion but then no knows anyone else's background on here, nor the veracity of "facts" posted by anyone else.

And rather than respond to the instances mentioned on this thread, you are now what... putting them in the same basket as a parent who is hugely overly reliant on their child and that parent may be manipulative and abusive.

I notice that there is absolutely no acknowledgement of the poor mental health experienced by the current cohort of secondary school girls. Just a whole lot of distractive techniques away from addressing the issues raised.

And again, the denigration of parents who have genuine concerns about this. Hysterical, conspiracy theorists, and potentially liars as well.

Same old, same old. Please do keep posting in this style walksen, it is a live example of the tactics used by activists all the time on these threads.

TWANW by the way MNHQ

What a bunch of saddos MnHQ are. What on earth deserved deleting in my post. Just because men don’t like the truth. Absolute idiots.

by the way, until I complained, that slide that says 'there is clearly more than one sex' ?

used to say 'there are clearly more than 2 sexes'

for fuck's sake

‘ I've direct experiences of parents hysterically emailing school complaining their child is a carer and their life is bring put at risk due to a detention and Ravi g at senior management and governors the school is trying to kill them so I've direct experience of parents manipulating events to suit their narrative or being rather one sided when relaying events to others.’

Some parents are deeply unreasonable.

Let me ask again: do you think it’s reasonable for schools to conceal from parents that their children believe they are the opposite sex, are trying to change sex, are changing names or pronouns, have gender dysphoria, are wearing binders or ‘tucking’, are seeking out puberty blockers or sex hormones?

walken

My 10 ( now 11 yr old) came home talking about operations to change sex. Amd worried she'd have to change in front of boys.

Don't you dare call us all liars

"There are parents on this very thread who have direct experiences and are relaying those experiences"

Plenty of people have their experiences minimised, ignored and minimised on Mumsnet, then accused of hysteria. Myself included.

I've direct experiences of parents hysterically emailing school complaining their child is a carer and their life is bring put at risk due to a detention and Ravi g at senior management and governors the school is trying to kill them so I've direct experience of parents manipulating events to suit their narrative or being rather one sided when relaying events to others.

Anyone who posts on here that school activists are conspiring to exploit mental illness to turn their daughters into transmen is being hysterical. That's my opinion but then no knows anyone else's background on here, nor the veracity of "facts" posted by anyone else.

@walksen

from a sample lesson plan recommended by my lunatic local council

documents.hants.gov.uk/childrens-services/HIAS/LGBTguidance.pdf

see page 26 onwards

yes teaching of gender identity as if it's a fact rather than an opinion is a thing

The internet has a lot to answer for. Schools should be helping, not covering up risk factors to children.