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This ‘charity’ is delivering sex education in schools…

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Organictangerine · 10/04/2022 17:17

schoolofsexed.org/blog-articles/2021/3/23/m1j83axky336c2pwq0huees8aq0kkm-62fbn

It describes itself as ‘rights-based, sex-positive, non-binary and trauma-informed.’

Among the (highly ideological) information on its website is this diamond:

Myth #2: All women have vaginas.

‘It’s a girl!’ the midwife exclaimed after looking at the baby’s genitals and deciding they fit the textbook description of female genitalia. Due to misconceptions surrounding sex and gender we often automatically assume that if you’re a woman you must have a vagina. However, genitalia is not an indicator of gender and assuming so erases the existence of intersex people, trans and non-binary people.

It provides a full list of schools and organisations it is involved with. Thought it may be one to watch?

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KatieAlcock · 12/04/2022 16:08

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

And Girl Guiding is a partner/supporter organisation.
Do they say that, or does GG say that?
Dinosauria · 12/04/2022 15:40

I don't understand why all the imagery except the one picture of the condom is of vaginas/women's contraceptives. I mean I might be reading too much into this put is this page taking the piss?

This ‘charity’ is delivering sex education in schools…
SeanChailleach · 12/04/2022 15:12

Having read the website thoroughly, I am now very concerned. I hope other parents will question it too.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/04/2022 19:25

I think of their website, amongst all the playdoh vulvas, they said they were suitable for kids 10-13 years, I couldn't find whose advice was sought to ensure the family sex show (ffs....so close) was okay for 5+. I know the answer.

Organictangerine · 11/04/2022 18:56

Carmen, but that muddies the water too much for sex education which is primarily about teaching biological fact (along with info on emotions, spotting unhealthy relationships etc). There’s a danger a ‘trans’ pupil won’t understand that their ‘gender’ doesn’t correspond to the consequences of sex for them.

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CarmenThePanda · 11/04/2022 16:45

Due to misconceptions surrounding sex and gender we often automatically assume that if you’re a woman you must have a vagina. However, genitalia is not an indicator of gender and assuming so erases the existence of intersex people, trans and non-binary people

WRT the first sentence: yes, adult human females as a class do have a vagina. So not a misconception.

But as for the second sentence, I agree. I am female (so as an adult human call myself a woman), and my vagina is not an indicator of my ‘gender’. It is an indicator of my sex. I have no relationship with ‘gender’.

Zeugma · 11/04/2022 11:15

Bold fail…..

Zeugma · 11/04/2022 11:15

We’re at the stage where we need one of those giant pinboards, map pins and string. There’s an incredible amount of overlap and back-scratching between all of these captured organisations. What a tangled mess!

Someone good at this sort of thing needs to set up a Trello board, if they’re still going. Only half-joking here…

MangyInseam · 11/04/2022 01:52

I am at the point where I don't want to see outside "charities" coming into my kid's schools to talk about anything. There have been a few that were good, though mainly individuals rather than groups. But most have been a waste of time, and some are totally inappropriate.

BettyFilous · 11/04/2022 00:02

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

And Girl Guiding is a partner/supporter organisation.
We’re at the stage where we need one of those giant pinboards, map pins and string. There’s an incredible amount of overlap and back-scratching between all of these captured organisations. What a tangled mess!
ScrollingLeaves · 10/04/2022 22:59

@Organictangerine
Thank you. I am very surprised to see a Girls Day School Trust school there. How could they use this?!

Organictangerine · 10/04/2022 22:53

@ScrollingLeaves

It provides a full list of schools and organisations it is involved with.

I couldn’t find the list, OP. How do you find it?

Big old list here if you scroll down:

schoolofsexed.org/where

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ScrollingLeaves · 10/04/2022 22:52

It provides a full list of schools and organisations it is involved with.

I couldn’t find the list, OP. How do you find it?

Organictangerine · 10/04/2022 22:51

Ah sorry that was meant for different thread 😴 it’s late! Well, for me anyway

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Organictangerine · 10/04/2022 22:51

@ScrollingLeaves

It ought to be illegal to have anything like this in schools.
They wouldn’t be allowed in schools anyway as they’re not DBS checked
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ScrollingLeaves · 10/04/2022 22:49

It ought to be illegal to have anything like this in schools.

MsGoodenough · 10/04/2022 22:36

Yes they used to be Sexplain. I used to think they were good but they are steeped in Queer theory. IMHO you can't teach sex Ed effectively while maintaining that men can have vaginas and women can have penises.

FOJN · 10/04/2022 22:14

Sorry, random letters there. Sexplain

FOJN · 10/04/2022 22:13

It’s difficult to know - they only registered as a charity in 2020 & they only have 3 trustees which given the size they seem to be is a bit odd

I think they had a previous incarnation as Sexplain.nI was doing a bit of digging around to get more info on The Family Sex Show

Organictangerine · 10/04/2022 20:19

it’s one big pot of pronoun soup

I feel like even the ones who are begrudgingly ‘cis’ put a toe in with the she/they…

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SeanChailleach · 10/04/2022 20:05

Is there another organisation providing sex ed that doesn't do pronouns and comply with Stonewall's rules?
For anyone working in sex ed, speaking out would require a lot of courage. And possibly a legal team.

Dinosauria · 10/04/2022 19:50

I find a good yard stick is the volume of exclamation marks.

Rights · 10/04/2022 19:49

I’m not certain of that given the demographic of the team.

Exactly - it’s one big pot of pronoun soup. I’m not having these fantasists teach my kids that biological sex is a “myth”. It’s perfectly possible to teach sex ed, consent, etc without all this bollocks.

Also, how can they claim to be “trauma-informed” if they’re complicit in the erasure of single-sex safe spaces FFS? I honestly despair.

Mysterioso · 10/04/2022 19:39

Sounds like there needs to be a reminder that sex Ed is not mainly about teaching children about the act itself but everything around it: consent, pleasure, pain, pregnancy and disease.
The act itself is easy enough to get your head around (eventually - no idea how the human race has survived to date) but the rest of it does need to be learned.

It shouldn't become soft porn or a kink class! Or indulge teenage exploration to the extent it forgets to prepare them for the real consequences.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2022 19:35

If they're child centred, understand about age appropriateness (especially in relation to porn), the rights of children from all protected groups, have rigorous safeguarding policies and have shared all their materials in advance with the school as well as complying with everything in the DfE guidance, there'll be no problems.
Their association with the safeguarding breaching performance for 5 years old plus children, where performers discuss sex and undress in front of unknown children raises concerns about their safeguarding knowledge and judgement. However, asking the school to confirm that they've checked their credibility and followed the DfE guidelines as detailed above should hopefully reassure.

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