Lord Herbert: Royal Commission to remove trans debate from politics?

The thing about sex is that nobody can be 'neutral'. We're all either one or the other. (Even those who consider themselves 'non-binary').

I would be interested in what really went on behind the scenes. My guess is…

Until a month or two ago things were going swimmingly for Nick Herbert and pals. Henry Newman, friend of Carrie’s and the LGBT man in No 10, very much had the PMs ear and they were about to push LGBT stuff including trans conversion therapy because of the up coming international LGBT conference. Not the time to rock the boat nor to listen to those pesky women including Truss, Badenoch, Doyle-Price or Nicholson.

Then partygate. Newman is out, and a penitent Boris is told to pay more attention to both his Cabinet Ministers and the expensive political guru that he has had to fly in from the States. After three U turns and presumably lots of behind the scenes politicking, trans conversion is off the agenda, the T essentially separated from the LGB, and voters welcome an outbreak of common sense. Stonewall is pissed off and the conference has to be cancelled but not many seem to care. Indeed the main surprise is how much it has cost us.

So what do Nick and pals do? Suggest taking the issue away from politicians and setting up a Royal Commission that they presumably hope to control.

Actually I am more than happy with the politicians. Regardless of party, Truss, Badenoch and Doyle-Price have done a lot in a relatively short time to turn the tide. Rather them than some uncontrollable Commission.

But aren’t there a lot of woman who have been pushing trans rights over women’s rights? And even women saying TWAW?

Yes exactly.

In the Twitter discussion below this announcement, there are four or five male members of the HoL discussing whether this would work
So again its men deciding for women what we want and can have?

Unless I'm wildly misunderstanding and theres as many women too?

@tabbycatstripy

It would need to be led by a woman for me to feel it wasn’t same-old men deciding in women’s rights.

But aren’t there a lot of woman who have been pushing trans rights over women’s rights? And even women saying TWAW?

Tabby, some gay men have been at the forefront of the TQ+ movement (Tatchell, Paisley et al) but I can think of just as many (Mr Menno, James Dreyfus and several other commentators who I'm pretty sure are gay but don't publicise it, plus those you'll only know about if you are involved in LGB rights groups). The reason is obvious: it's women/ lesbians who are mainly having to deal with men who identify as women invading once-securely women-only, lesbian-only spaces. Some gay men are getting pissed off at the incursion of transmen into their spaces, but IME more gay men come to GC views as a result of what they see happening to their sisters and mothers and daughters. Many gay men and quite a few lesbians are just as misogynistic and internally homophobic as the rest of the population. But I've never been as viciously attacked by LGB people for my GC views as I have been by TQ+ people. Because most LGB people know it's complicated and know that the community isn't united in its views. Whereas people who identify TQ+ don't have much dissent in their TQ+ community.

It would be really helpful to the LGB community if more and more people would separate the two groups out — the same-sex lot (LGB) and the gender people (TQ+). We have very little in common and a lot of us are at loggerheads.

Nick Herbert might come to understand that we're dealing with batshitters who want to believe that Daniel Radcliffe was the author of the Harry Potter books, who won't accept the content of the Equality Act 2010, and who seem to think we're living in North America.

Yup, the forced teaming and forced unions didn't work then and they won't work now.

I really would like the PIE sympathisers and the 'minor attracted' movement exposed, out there visibly as themselves standing on their own stark platform, and not hiding behind decent people working on behalf of gay rights and the rights of humans to not be sex-stereotyped and pigeonholed into restrictive roles and dress modes.

A Royal Commission sounds like the kind of thing Thomas Cromwell would think up to get Henry VIII his next divorce or monastery

Doesn't it!

Interesting that those favouring shouting and anger have entirely forgotten, or more likely are too young to remember and don’t want to believe in, the years and years of persuasion from homosexual groups that they weren’t going to bring in paedophilia and other harmful sexual deviancies behind them, and that the things they actually wanted were the same, reasonable normal things that others already had, and all the explanations of that and how it would work within society.

And just how much harder that task was because of the attempted forced teaming with PIE and the asinine stance of major politicians and NCCL.

Indeed, I suspect this is an issue where being seen by both sides as impartial is impossible. The only type of impartiality that I can imagine sees the groups as seperate and therefore requiring separate rights (thus ensuring both sides get what they need) and that isn’t seen as impartiality by transactivists because it isn’t what they want.

I like the Twitter thread and am fascinated by the transactivists underneath demonstrating his points perfectly. However, I think it is much better that this plays out in the public arena as it’s currently so toxic that any debate behind closed doors, that doesn’t take the time to carry public opinion with it, will only result in the same problems being repeated.

Interesting that those favouring shouting and anger have entirely forgotten, or more likely are too young to remember and don’t want to believe in, the years and years of persuasion from homosexual groups that they weren’t going to bring in paedophilia and other harmful sexual deviancies behind them, and that the things they actually wanted were the same, reasonable normal things that others already had, and all the explanations of that and how it would work within society.

Persuasion and explanation is exactly what so many of those leading the campaign seem to be incable of doing.

Please stop conflating LGB and TQ+. No one ever asked lesbians and gay men whether they wanted to be shackled to the blue-haired brigade.

A Royal Commission sounds like the kind of thing Thomas Cromwell would think up to get Henry VIII his next divorce or monastery

Dentons recommended working quietly behind the scenes to influence away from public scrutiny. What does Dentons have to say about what to do when you're busted?

Passing it back to your Stonewall-trained friends in the judiciary to deal with quietly out of sight seems about right.

[quote EwwSprouts]Independent lol
Wants to take it out of politics until there are more of the right type of politicians.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lord-herbert-britain-needs-more-trans-people-in-public-life-including-the-commons-ntr88g6xv[/quote]
And, as we know, the Fawcett Society, amongst others, would stay silent if "the right type of politician" were to be all of the women and there were to be a HoC etc. made up entirely of those who were recognised as male at birth.