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Sharon Davies - R4 @ 8.45*

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UltimateIrritant · 09/04/2022 08:19

  • According to her Twitter account
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Liveliferun · 09/04/2022 09:50

Well done Sharron yet again.
Notable how TRAs like formerly-Mackinnon literally never mention women - even when Nick asked a direct question about the negative impact on women who train their whole lives only to see a mediocre male swan in. Whereas Sharron and other GC reps are always compassionate in their consideration of transwomen and how they are not and should not be excluded from sport, there is a whole male category wide open for them.

Justkeeppedaling · 09/04/2022 09:46

I thought that was an excellent point. Apparently there is a jockey who is a trans woman but it causes no friction in a sport where Rachel Blackmore has shown that she can compete on equal terms with men

I'd argue that women actually have the advantage in racing because they are lighter

watcherintherye · 09/04/2022 09:45

People like VI, that is, not the BBC!

watcherintherye · 09/04/2022 09:43

@MaryAndHerNet

McKinnon...

Wants women to die in grease fires..
Inalso remember something along the lines of them thinking all sexualities beside pansexual are bigotted.

And, not forgetting, they posted a gif of a dancing Skeleton when Magdalen Berns died.

So on and so on.

Why is the BBC giving such a hateful person airtime.

Hopefully that’s where ‘hoist by their own petard’ comes in to play!
tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 09:39

“On 12 October 2018, she won the world 200-meter sprint record for women in the 35–39 age range,[13] and the next day won the UCI Masters World Track Cycling Championship in the Women's Sprint 35–44 age bracket, becoming the first transgender world champion in track cycling.”

Put the same overweight male person up against 35-44 year old champion male cyclists, and what would happen?

nauticant · 09/04/2022 09:38

A visual explainer:

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1504836682738122752

MaryAndHerNet · 09/04/2022 09:38

McKinnon...

Wants women to die in grease fires..
Inalso remember something along the lines of them thinking all sexualities beside pansexual are bigotted.

And, not forgetting, they posted a gif of a dancing Skeleton when Magdalen Berns died.

So on and so on.

Why is the BBC giving such a hateful person airtime.

EveSix · 09/04/2022 09:28

Urgh, Oscar Pistorius on FWR. Eye bleach.

ControversialOpening · 09/04/2022 09:28

I just don't understand how Ivy keeps repeating there is no evidence that transwomen have an advantage. There is loads!!

Evidence 1: A fat, out of shape bloke starts cycling in his 30s and wins races against super-fit women who have been cycling for their entire careers.

I almost wish somebody would give fatboy his own tv series.

HollowTalk · 09/04/2022 09:22

It sickens me to think of women athletes training all of their lives for their game, only to be knocked out of their rightful place by someone who has grown up with a male body and has had all the advantages (in sport and in life) that come with that. And that rightful place might be first or tenth, that doesn't matter - that was their place.

Skyellaskerry · 09/04/2022 09:19

Davies concluded with: They [transwomen] won't be excluded from sport though they'll just be excluded from a category where it's not fair.

Great closing statement from Sharron Flowers, clear and accurate, I'm sure we will hear it repeated.

Limer · 09/04/2022 09:18

I heard this. Well done Nick Robinson and Sharron Davies! I was fist-pumping on their behalf while also attempting to cook breakfast.

HollowTalk · 09/04/2022 09:18

Dr Ivy was exactly like an able-bodied person shrieking in outrage because they can't compete in the paralympics, completely ignoring the fact that they have the olympics. Talk about male entitlement.

VoodooQualities · 09/04/2022 09:17

I was stuck by how Ivy got away with saying 'well funded anti-trans groups' but Davies politely refers to Stonewall and others as 'trans rights activists'.

I bet if she'd called Stonewall a 'well funded anti-woman group' she'd have been called out. Yet no such calling out of Ivy.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 09/04/2022 09:16

@nauticant

Davies concluded with: They [transwomen] won't be excluded from sport though they'll just be excluded from a category where it's not fair.
Yes! Nailed it. Thank you, Sharron.
tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 09:15

I think the question that wasn’t asked was how reducing testosterone turns a male into a female. That’s what VI was suggesting: a year on hormones has somehow turned Bridges into a female person.

Dimenw · 09/04/2022 09:13

Ivy explaining how angry they are for all the excluded transwomen. NR asked if Ivy also angry for women who have lost places to tw. Ivy appears unable to hear the word "women" because they did not feature in the reply. All about the trans.

ResisterRex · 09/04/2022 09:12

I'm sure Fair Play For Women gave the boiled egg analogy this week in an interview with JHB. I'll try to find it

ivykaty44 · 09/04/2022 09:12

I’d like to ask why trans woman don’t want their own category?

I think why would a para Olympian want to compete in the olympics? And this photo springs to mind

Could you imagine the uproar if they wanted one catagiry for all Olympic runners

Sharon Davies - R4 @ 8.45*
WellNotReally · 09/04/2022 09:12

Rachel McKinnon? The one who wanted women to die in a grease fire? Why do the BBC roll these people out.

Abhannmor · 09/04/2022 09:11

@Dimenw

Sharon Davies also good, made the point that nobody is trying to ban transwomen from sport, only from categories where it would be unfair. "Language is important" (Also, extra points to Dr Ivy for the most uses of c*s in one minute)
I misread that cs as c**s at first. Nothing would surprise me at this stage. Hmm
zanahoria · 09/04/2022 09:10

Sharron is very good at explaining things to a general audience who are less familiar with the topic

She knows sport and she knows the media

Most of all she knows common sense

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 09/04/2022 09:09

Thanks op that was brilliant. Nick Robinson taking no shit and the wonderful Sharron refuting all the nonsense spouted by Veronica Ivy. It feels like the tide is finally starting to turn and we’re getting to hear from pro-women, pro-fairness now people now and having a proper debate on the radio for all the general public to hear.
I so loved Sharon’s parting conclusion that trans aren’t being banned from sports, we just want fair sports. She’s inspirational. In fact, I had no idea 620 people had signed that letter asking for fairness in womens sports and huge credit for that must surely be due to Sharron. Flowers

zanahoria · 09/04/2022 09:08

Also, extra points to Dr Ivy for the most uses of c*s in one minute

It irked me until I twigged half the listeners will not have a clue what it means and just think Ivy is bonkers

doublemonkey · 09/04/2022 09:06

Ivy agueing there is no difference between tw and women based on a legal technicality. Time for the GRC to be revised to remove that loophole.

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