Sharon Davies - R4 @ 8.45*

On the subject of jockeys, if you compare a male and female of the same height and weight, the male will in almost all cases be physically stronger. This can be important when keeping control over a racehorse that is in disagreement with its rider!

Yes, MiladyBerserko, it was.

Nick asked “do you have any empathy for women who trained for years and want to compete in a fair and equitable competition “. Loads of waffle, waffle and no answer

I was so pleased Nick asked this question. It’s the answer I want interviewers to ask members of the Labour Party next time they start banging on about the poor feelings of Bridges et al.

I was astonished to hear that apparently the UK recognises trans legally and medically. I know about the legal FICTION, but seriously how can they assert that medically they re recognised? But yes, bring them all on and everyone can hear about the male entitlement of such people. Thank you to Sharon who is a star.

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights "Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About".

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Boris Johnson has said "biological males" should not compete in women's sport. Fair Play for Women's Fiona McAnena agrees: "You cannot undo male puberty. It's like boiling an egg - you can take it out of the hot water but you cannot unboil the egg."

Was Rhys til 29 then Rachel then changed to VI...around the time Rachel was getting flack for all the awful things they said. Funny that.

Remember a good few years ago, when Nick Robinson interviewed Paris Lees, and Paris felt it was legit to have a tantrum because the interview wasn't 100% fawning?

How far we have come!

What's the boiler egg analogy by the way?

why is the BBC giving such a hateful person airtime?

Let them give these people airtime. Bring it on.

Think of all the GC women who TRAs have been desperately trying to no-platform, said that such 'hateful' views shouldn't be allowed to be aired in public. Why don't they want these women to speak, what are they so afraid of?

And here we are, confidently able to say that Grace 'I held my penis like a miscarried foetus' Lavery and Veronica 'lesbians can learn go cope with penis' Ivy should go on every single platform they want and talk loud and proud!

BBC et al: here to talk trans is OJ/ Nancy Kelley/ Ash Sarkar/ Benjamin Buttergasp / Dr Adrian Haddock

TRAs: why don't they interview actal trans people?

BBC: now here's Veronica Ivy / Grace Lavery / Joanna Harper / India willoughby

General public : These people are 64p short of a stamp! How on earth can anyone take what they are saying seriously?

I just don't understand how Ivy keeps repeating there is no evidence that transwomen have an advantage. There is loads!! Why does no one point this out.

I can't help thinking if someone came on air saying "there is no evidence the world is round" they would be picked up on it.

Why the double standard?

It was patently clear “Ivy” had no empathy for womens points of view on this. Same old story - the trans activists want dialogue on this but only with no compassion or comprehension of alternative views.

@justkeeppedaling all jockeys are weighed before every race along with their saddle and then lead weights are added to keep everyone the same weight, they are then weighed with saddle and weights after the race to make sure that they didn't cheat by dropping the weights.
Also the men who compete as jockeys tend to be about 5'2" which should help you understand that we are not talking about average men but those who are way below average. However the real reason that men and women can compete together in equine sports is because its the horse that's doing the work not the rider/jockey

I listened to Ivy and alternated between shouting at the radio and laughing. I’m sure they peaked many people.

Sharron was outstanding as usual. Can’t thank her enough for speaking about this so openly.

Ohh hang on, Ivy is Rachel?

So if you called them Rachel, would that be deadnaming them?

because Bridges was slower than before due to lower testosterone, that it was appropriate to race in the women's category

It was pity that NR didn’t have a chance to mention the drastically weakened and fragile Emily Bridges’ v v recent - surely inexplicable! - excellent showing in the mens’ race.

But still, it was useful to hear Dr I evading questions and obfuscating wildly, in contrast to Sharon’s completely clear and sensible points.

I think they weigh the jockeys and the horses in racing to minimise the weight differences for both horses and riders. I don't really understand how it works but there is a formula which determines how much extra weight (as in lead weight) the jockey has to ride with. Somebody did once suggest that there this could be applied in other sports but I don't know whether any agreement could be reached.

Totally agree. I was shouting at the radio. I really hope that journalists will look at the data to query these assertions.

Wasn't it McKinnon who said that lesbians would 'learn to cope' with a penis?

"What is the difference between a man and a transwoman?"

The thing we've never had a decent answer to, ever

McKinnon/Ivy's line seemed to be that because Bridges was slower than before due to lower testosterone, that it was appropriate to race in the women's category.

Does that mean that all males with low testosterone (natural or drug induced) should be eligible to race against women? What is the difference between Bridges and any other male?

What is the difference between a man and a transwoman?

why is the BBC giving such a hateful person airtime?
So the average listener can hear for themselves. Sunlight. And my thanks to the lovely Doctor for providing ample evidence.

Looking forward to hearing this layer. For new comers some pics of Veronica Ivy behind the voice. The one on the podium is when named Rachel McKinnon.

I just googled what Veronica Ivy is a doctor of:

PhD from University of Waterloo in Philosophy in 2012, with a thesis entitled "Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About".

An actual expert in not knowing what you’re talking about.

I wish Nick Robinson picked up on the ‘legally and medically female’ bit. Where’s the ‘medically’ come from?!?