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landOFconfusion · 2022-04-09T05:15:53+00:00

Saw this on the news wires. Thought it was more important than some of the topics that are usually posted here. STARR COUNTY, Texas (ValleyCentral) — A woman has been charged with murder after authorities say she performed a “self-induced abortion.” [[https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-04-08/texas-woman-charged-with-murder-for-self-induced-abortion]]

Lonleygal · 09/04/2022 14:38

@endofthelinefinally
Yes I agree I’m only just learning about all of this

JellySaurus · 09/04/2022 12:57

@Lonleygal

Can I ask which is the correct place to post a thread about abortion ?

Wherever you consider it relevant. It's not the location posters are objecting to, but the attempt to dictate what we should talk about or prioritise.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/04/2022 11:08

@Lonleygal

Can I ask which is the correct place to post a thread about abortion ?

It wasn't the thread's location that got people's backs up. Like I said above, we already had such a thread here.

LosingTheWill2022 · 09/04/2022 11:05

And I do apologise if it feels like my response is an attack. It's not my intention. I was just explaining that MN is often direct and as @endofthelinefinally says there's a history to events

DealWithTheDevilAtTheCrossroad · 09/04/2022 11:04

@Lonleygal

Can I ask which is the correct place to post a thread about abortion ?

FFS.

Lonleygal · 09/04/2022 11:04

Can I ask which is the correct place to post a thread about abortion ?

DealWithTheDevilAtTheCrossroad · 09/04/2022 11:03

@Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople

TRAs are going in heavy on abortion at the moment as a way of gaslighting women into worrying they are on 'the wrong side'. This OP stinks of that. We must remember that there is no plight that TRAs won't appropriate, whether it be trans sex workers in South America or women whose reproductive rights are being removed in the US.

@Lonleygal Perhaps read what Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople wrote to get an idea of why parts of this discussion have gone the way it has.

Personal attacks aren't allowed on Mumsnet. If you read a personal attack, then report it for deletion.

LosingTheWill2022 · 09/04/2022 10:57

@Lonleygal

It’s not always easy to find the right place on mums net for the topic you want though. I am still learning my way round after a month. I think your all being abit hard on the OP . Why do women always have to attack each other ☹️

@Lonleygal The OP was clear she chose this board deliberately to make a point. This wasn't a case of 'not sure where to post'. Challenging the OP on that is not attacking him/her. Nor are women always attack ing each other

Holding and expressing different opinions does not equal an "attack"

ScreamingMeMe · 09/04/2022 10:55

Oops wrong thread, sorry!

ScreamingMeMe · 09/04/2022 10:54

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endofthelinefinally · 09/04/2022 10:53

@Lonleygal

It’s not always easy to find the right place on mums net for the topic you want though. I am still learning my way round after a month. I think your all being abit hard on the OP . Why do women always have to attack each other ☹️

As you have only been here a month it is understandable that you are not familiar with the history of the feminist section and the sort of things women on here have had to put up with. After a few more months or years it all becomes much clearer.

Lonleygal · 09/04/2022 10:46

It’s not always easy to find the right place on mums net for the topic you want though. I am still learning my way round after a month. I think your all being abit hard on the OP . Why do women always have to attack each other ☹️

JellySaurus · 09/04/2022 10:35

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

Instead of hectoring the women who post here for not following your personal priority list, OP, why not appeal to MNHQ to bring the two FWR boards together again, since our oppression is based on our biology, including our reproductive role, and that isn’t something that can be identified out of no matter how much some people may want to? So every discrimination against a woman occurs in some way because of our sex, or the gender roles ascribed to our sex, and therefore there is no logical reason for these boards to be split the way they are.

Hear hear!

ScreamingMeMe · 09/04/2022 09:58

@Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople

TRAs are going in heavy on abortion at the moment as a way of gaslighting women into worrying they are on 'the wrong side'. This OP stinks of that. We must remember that there is no plight that TRAs won't appropriate, whether it be trans sex workers in South America or women whose reproductive rights are being removed in the US.

Straight out of the Dentons playbook.

Wednesdayweekend · 09/04/2022 09:56

Also on social media lots of people saying 'gender criticals' are anti-abortion.

The Republicans in the US states who are passing the pro-life bills are also doing a lot of excellent work for parents of "trans" children.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 09/04/2022 09:52

TRAs are going in heavy on abortion at the moment as a way of gaslighting women into worrying they are on 'the wrong side'. This OP stinks of that. We must remember that there is no plight that TRAs won't appropriate, whether it be trans sex workers in South America or women whose reproductive rights are being removed in the US.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 09/04/2022 09:49

@landOFconfusion there are many topics that affect women, in different ways. All of which are important. It's not for you to decide the ones you believe aren't of importantance in this forum.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/04/2022 09:44

We do actually have a thread here on the situation in the US.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4522963-more-women-denied-autonomy-over-their-bodies-as-another-us-state-bans-abortions?msgid=116434786#116434786

A woman being charged with murder is so, so messed up

OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg · 09/04/2022 09:39

Instead of hectoring the women who post here for not following your personal priority list, OP, why not appeal to MNHQ to bring the two FWR boards together again, since our oppression is based on our biology, including our reproductive role, and that isn’t something that can be identified out of no matter how much some people may want to? So every discrimination against a woman occurs in some way because of our sex, or the gender roles ascribed to our sex, and therefore there is no logical reason for these boards to be split the way they are.

MindPalace · 09/04/2022 09:33

Hi OP, I’ve added your story link to my own thread in Chat about abortion (which someone has helpfully linked to above). I hope that’s ok, and thank you.

Roseglen84 · 09/04/2022 09:30

B) ‘Here’ is the place MNHQ established to lock away our dreadful conversations about sex and gender. It’s not where we are meant to discuss other topics. There is Feminism Chat for that.

Exactly, this subsection of Feminism was only created as a naughty corner to shunt us off to, as there were complaints that too many women on the Feminist section of a women's website, were talking about a specific issue very pertinent to women . So we were given detention.

And now OP want to scold us again for not focusing on a 'more important topic'.

Optimoo · 09/04/2022 09:10

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FemaleAndLearning · 09/04/2022 09:08

It does seem on social media that there is a lot of stuff being imported from the USA and people don't realise that the situation is very different in the UK.
In the UK gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, yet I've seen people on Twitter saying they might have to leave the country because the EHRC put out clarification on how that protected characteristic is in conflict with the protected characteristic of sex.

Also on social media lots of people saying 'gender criticals' are anti-abortion.

Plus the usual you women asked for this, that is what feminism has done.
I'm quite new to the board but I have seen lots of posts on abortion, for instance the women in Mexico being arrested and imprisoned for having a natural miscarriage.
The splitting of the boards means I never visit Feminist Chat because my interest and focus is on how damaging gender identity ideology is. If we can't define what a women is we will have no rights. It is sad we have had to go back to basics but that is the reality.

endofthelinefinally · 09/04/2022 09:05

The topic of abortion rights has been, and is being, discussed at great length on the feminism chat board. Women on MN are quite capable of navigating the site, which is huge and has a wide variety of boards dedicated to different topics.

OvaHere · 09/04/2022 09:03

@tabbycatstripy

Of course it’s important. But to come on a UK feminist board and imply there is something wrong with posters focusing more on something that presents an issue in their own country than on something happening thousands of miles away is wrong. I care about the women of Texas like I care about the women of Afghanistan: I do care, but I can’t lobby their politicians or march with them.

However, abortion is not a current controversy in the UK political system. The right to safe legal abortion is not under threat here and there’s little reason to believe it will come under threat.

It stands to reason it will receive less attention than the issues presented by gender ideology.

Yes sadly this is the reality. I feel truly awful for the women in those states but beyond offering empathy I can't think of a single practical action I could take to help.

I could write to my MP or No.10 but I know the British Government are not going to get involved in American state politics and nor should they to be honest. I wouldn't want American state governors interfering in our laws either.

The reason we talk a lot here about things happening in the UK is because most of us are British and we have some chance of influencing laws here. America not even a little bit.