Why do Labour women make this so much worse than it need be?

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Pluvia · 08/04/2022 22:48

I've come under pretty aggressive attack on another platform twice today. Once because I linked to Hadley Freemans's article The Week the Trans Spell was Broken:

unherd.com/2022/04/the-week-the-trans-spell-was-broken/

and once because I linked to an old Times article, which I won't link to here because I don't have a share token.

Each time I was shouted down and bullied by women of the left telling me I shouldn't link to Unherd or the Times because they are right-wing puppets of the Tory party. The women concerned — a group of about six of them — are the kind of hard-line Labour supporters who demand total purity. They have only fairly recently started expressing GC ideas, while I've been out there plugging away for years (and have been shunned as a Hateful Bigot by at least half the people I once counted as friends). Now they've crossed over to the GC side and they're patrolling it with the same ferocity that they do everything else.

I struggle to get my head around it because I have always been a Labour voter, am currently an active member of my Labour CLP trying to beat off the woke bros, and here I have Labour women telling me I can't post a Hadley Freeman article — Hadley Freeman of the Guardian — because the platform she's posting on was founded by a Tory and hosts people with right-wing views.

I've responded very firmly about women being blocked and banned and bullied from posting on left-wing sites. But ffs, if this goes on for very much longer it's going to drive me into the arms of the Tories.

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DelurkingLawyer · 08/04/2022 23:28

Seriously, fuck them. Some of the best reporting on trans issues has been in the Mail, and some of the best opinion pieces in the Times. I have never read the Guardian much because I found its tribalism so pedestrian. I’d rather be challenged than have my left wing preconceptions endlessly validated.

Mackerson · 08/04/2022 23:26

I find your post to be a bit rich, to be honest. For quite a long time people on the centre or right have been bullied, harassed and insulted by people on the left and I don't remember a vein of left wing women standing up for their right to free speech. Here on MN it's regular to hear Conservatives voters described as twats, cunts and scum. And worse. Honestly outside women and gender issues, I don't generally see posters or even MNHQ closing that down. For left wing women abuse of other people has always been acceptable because you agreed with the abusers. Suddenly because you're now on the wrong side of the Labour faithful and the left wing social media, you think what they're doing is awful. Because it affects you.

I saw on another thread a poster praising Boris because now people might be able to have an open and non toxic (paraphrasing) debate without abuse. It's as if the barage of abuse and the closing down of contrary ideas they'd seen and suffered was news to them. But for a whole swathe of the population this has been happening for years. And I wonder if when the GC debate has gone away, if left wing women will settle back into the status quo of allowing abuse of non left wingers by letting their silence be read as tacit encouragement.

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Pluvia · 08/04/2022 23:18

They wouldn't read that article because it's in the DM. And if I linked to it they'd accuse me of being a Tory lackey and promoting clicks for 'the enemy'. Which five or so years ago might well have been a position I'd have adopted. But not now, not after Janice Turner risked her career by focussing on gender ideology as her big issue.

I'll strike back tomorrow morning with both Jackie Doyle-Price's article about conversion therapy in the Times and your link to the DM. That will drive them bonkers.

I'm really furious that for years I've been out here on social media and in real life, talking openly about these issues and being abused and shunned and disapproved of by these women as well as the many others who went along with gender ideology to look kind and cool. Now they're opening their eyes and shifting over to a GC position after I've done all the heavy lifting. Meanwhile I've learned that the left can't be trusted and that the right sometimes does get stuff right.

I'm shunned by one lot because I'm GC, shunned by these new converts because I quote the Mail and the Times. Will the shunning and the disapproval never end?

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Childrenofthestones · 08/04/2022 23:01

Dogmatic tribalism. But you are on the left, you must have seen this before.
Tory scum
Fascists
Racist
All used to without basis close debate down?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/04/2022 22:55

So, these people have no interest in this initiative? How profoundly disappointing and shortsighted of them.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10674135/Three-women-launch-significant-female-movement-Suffragettes.html

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