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How the hell did we get here?

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dropthevipers · 08/04/2022 20:04

Just that really. My guess would be that the overwhelming majority of people would just laugh at the idea that Trans men become women (literally) by the magic of saying so. Yeah, right. It's as if a reborn cult around the flat earth idea suddenly gained widespread acceptance by people who otherwise appear intelligent and rational. Why wasn't this utter cobblers laughed out of town from the get go?

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BootsAndRoots · 08/04/2022 21:00

Slippery slope.

Transsexual -> transgender -> trans.
Transition (hormones and surgery) -> transition (social transition, changing clothes etc) -> transition (self-ID).
Man (self-IDs as trans) -> transwoman (trans women are women) -> woman.

So we are now in a position where a man says he is "trans", refuses to change pronouns and continues to present as a man, and we must now consider him a woman.

nepeta · 08/04/2022 20:20

[quote MrsOvertonsWindow]James Kirkup in the Spectator gives a clear explanation of the Denton's report that demonstrates how to influence social change on the quiet, behind close doors and without democratic scrutiny or accountability:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists[/quote]
I also think that very few of us ever imagined WHAT it is that the most ferocious trans advocates were really demanding. I thought that the category 'women' in most social contexts would perhaps consists of biologically female adult human beings PLUS those trans women who strongly identified as women. I didn't realise that the trans activism would require erasing the female biological sex as the basis on which someone can be defined as a woman or a girl.

I had no idea ten years ago that the general vocabulary (women, men, etc) we have always used would suddenly become meaningless coleslaw.

And I think most people were acting on the basis of 'be kind', not expecting that the slogan 'trans women are women' is, in fact, meant to be the exact definition of what all women now are (only those things which trans women share with natal women are allowed to enter the definition of 'woman.' )

But yes, there is also the stealth strategy, used in Ireland, for instance, where the trans rights are hooked to some other rights with more political support.

Babdoc · 08/04/2022 20:17

Forced teaming. They linked it to LGB rights via Stonewall. People didn’t want to be labelled transphobic as it conjured memories of nasty people being homophobic in the past. Youngsters wanted to be trendy and accepting etc.

Linguini · 08/04/2022 20:14

Blatant misogyny is easy to wave away as a problem, and equally easy to encourage.

Maternitynamechange · 08/04/2022 20:13

Because it’s lead by men.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/04/2022 20:08

James Kirkup in the Spectator gives a clear explanation of the Denton's report that demonstrates how to influence social change on the quiet, behind close doors and without democratic scrutiny or accountability:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists