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Boycott, and I can't stress this enough ....

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/04/2022 17:04

This GC book!, says a TRA, tagging the Oxford University Press, that bastion of critical thinking that is, you know, doing the job that an academic press should be doing.

twitter.com/jthomastremblay/status/1512212885627236352

Que a plethora of replies, memes of book-burning etc. The best responses are those saying they hadn't seen the book but thanks for the free advertising, and posting THANKS FOR YOUR ORDER screenshots from the OUP.

Fantastic own goal, but to see these overwhelmingly pro-GC, hell, even pro-free speech responses even on captured Twitter is quite a turnaround. Perhaps after all Emily Bridges, Lia Thompson and Kier Starmer have shone more sunlight on this than even they anticipated!

In the meantime I'm watching the replies roll out with popcorn in hand. Truly top-notch entertainment!

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/04/2022 06:44

No, Ugla is Owl, Fox's partner. They are the couple who 'used' a surrogate to have a child just around the start of lockdown. Made an informational video for Stonewall recently about the importance of thinking about your fertility options before seeking medical treatment as part of transition.

Crcohetmonster · 18/04/2022 05:07

But ugla and fox are the same person. Is fox claiming to be 2 people now??

StrangeLookingParasite · 17/04/2022 22:13

Fox Fisher, Drew Davies and Ugla Stefanía Kristjönudóttir Jónsdóttir said they could no longer work with the Blair Partnership, the London-based agency that represents all aspects of the Harry Potter author’s work, because they were not convinced the company “supports our rights at all avenues”.

And, I strongly suspect, no fucks were given.

DomesticatedZombie · 15/04/2022 16:15

@AuxArmesCitoyens

I've never worked in publishing, but have the impression there are lots of junior staff from very privileged backgrounds who've been supported by family through years of unpaid or low-paid work experience placements and internships until they finally land a proper job.

I have worked in publishing and it is exactly like that. Also, people who can afford to do an MA in publishing studies.

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SpinningTooFastIWantToGetOff · 15/04/2022 15:28

Ordered Wink
Don't generally like hardbacks but the need to show OUP that the book is a winner got the better of me Smile
Thanks for the tip, was not aware of Holly previously.

SingToTheSky · 15/04/2022 13:28

Brilliant :o wish I had the money spare to order it now, but I’ve got it on my wish list

AuxArmesCitoyens · 15/04/2022 13:20

I've never worked in publishing, but have the impression there are lots of junior staff from very privileged backgrounds who've been supported by family through years of unpaid or low-paid work experience placements and internships until they finally land a proper job.

I have worked in publishing and it is exactly like that. Also, people who can afford to do an MA in publishing studies.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 15/04/2022 13:18

look at this giant bellend gathering woke points AND stealth boasting twitter.com/RezekJoe/status/1512898981482876931?s=20&t=WXmMWicea43faqm310-s6A

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/04/2022 09:56

I've pre-ordered the book and looking forward to receiving it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2022 09:11

@Wintersonata

I've never worked in publishing, but have the impression there are lots of junior staff from very privileged backgrounds who've been supported by family through years of unpaid or low-paid work experience placements and internships until they finally land a proper job

Gaspode that may well be true but those who object JKR and anyone else who dares to disagree with them do not come exclusively from privileged backgrounds.
I don’t see why having a privileged background makes it more likely to try to ban books.

I'm generalising, yes, and I may well be wrong, but I suppose it's a combination of things that led me to this supposition. Young people from middle-class, affluent backgrounds are more likely to do Arts/Humanities/Social Sciences (i.e. non-vocational) degree subjects, which gives them a higher chance these days of being indoctrinated about gender ideology while students. They then end up in occupations/industries where they mix with other similar people.

The culture in publishing seems very earnest and authoritarian these days. Sensitivity readers. Accusations of cultural appropriation if an author writes about something outside their direct experience. Attempts to get their employers to refuse to publish certain authors or books exploring certain topics. Attempts to get certain authors and books removed from shortlists for prestigious prizes. Books withdrawn or heavily edited after publication because of wrongthink.

None of this seems to me to stem from a genuine understanding of what makes our society so unequal and far more difficult for some more than others. People who had a genuinely privileged start in life have to work hard to understand what life is like for those who didn't. Tony Benn managed it. George Orwell wrote seminal works about his attempt to do this. The gender ideologists seem by contrast to be very limited in their ability to empathise with a wide range of people and respect all sides of an argument.

Datun · 13/04/2022 08:44

@DomesticatedZombie

Do they have the first idea how ridiculous that is?
Not to mention illegal, due to maya.
Wintersonata · 13/04/2022 08:21

I've never worked in publishing, but have the impression there are lots of junior staff from very privileged backgrounds who've been supported by family through years of unpaid or low-paid work experience placements and internships until they finally land a proper job

Gaspode that may well be true but those who object JKR and anyone else who dares to disagree with them do not come exclusively from privileged backgrounds.
I don’t see why having a privileged background makes it more likely to try to ban books.

WinterTrees · 13/04/2022 08:06

Gender-critical feminism [...] clashes with trans-activism

...And therefore women must give way to their superiors?

Jeez, how soaked in entitlement do you have to be to expect, in one of the many, many instances where ideologies clash, for the opposing one to be stamped out and silenced at your say so?

CervixSampler · 13/04/2022 08:04

Ordered 😃 It's going to be an early birthday present to myself.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/04/2022 08:02

Reminds me of this nonsense. www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/22/authors-quit-jk-rowling-agency-over-transgender-rights

I've never worked in publishing, but have the impression there are lots of junior staff from very privileged backgrounds who've been supported by family through years of unpaid or low-paid work experience placements and internships until they finally land a proper job. Hardly surprising that very few people from less affluent backgrounds or from ethnic minorities can do any of that. The ones who make it in the end seem to delude themselves into believing they are there on merit and have experienced struggle because they didn't get a plum job straight from university. They haven't a clue.

Four authors represented by JK Rowling’s literary agency have resigned after accusing the company of declining to issue a public statement of support for transgender rights.

Fox Fisher, Drew Davies and Ugla Stefanía Kristjönudóttir Jónsdóttir said they could no longer work with the Blair Partnership, the London-based agency that represents all aspects of the Harry Potter author’s work, because they were not convinced the company “supports our rights at all avenues”. One other author is understood to have also quit the agency but wishes to remain anonymous.

From the same article:

Earlier [in 2020], it was reported that staff at Rowling’s publishing house, Hachette, were told they could not refuse to work on her new children’s book because they objected to her views on transgender rights.

CervixSampler · 13/04/2022 07:55

I was going to wait until it was released but I think I'll pre-order. Also ordering Kathleen Stock's book. I still need to finish reading The Second Sex. Must do better with my feminist edification. Thanks for this OP. I love books and there's no such thing as too many books!

MoiraQueen · 13/04/2022 07:44

Can't see the original Tweet, which is funny as I'm hardly ever on Twitter, never post and follow about 5 people...one of whom is JK, which may be the issueSmile

FemaleAndLearning · 13/04/2022 07:32

Oh my goodness, they are asking for a book to be banned because the author does not go along with the mantra transwomen are women.

FrancescaContini · 12/04/2022 23:20

@VaginaRegina

This is Mx Tremblay's own magnum opus. I have a degree in English from Cambridge and I can confidently assert that it is utter bollocks.
JFC. This reads like a parody Confused
DomesticatedZombie · 12/04/2022 23:16

Do they have the first idea how ridiculous that is?

DomesticatedZombie · 12/04/2022 23:15

'Petition against Gender-Critical Feminism
Gender-Critical Feminism by Holly Lawford-Smith is scheduled to publish this summer. We, as Oxford University Press employees and authors, are asking management to reconsider their decision to publish this title. The theory of gender-critical feminism attempts to invalidate trans identities. At a time when transgender rights are under attack, we believe that the publication of this book will embolden and legitimize the views of transphobes and contribute to the harm that is perpetrated against the trans community globally.

The author has made her beliefs transparent on her own website with statements such as “transwomen are not women” and “Gender critical feminism […] clashes with trans activism.” We feel that the publication of this book is not aligned with Oxford University Press’s “objective of excellence in research, scholarship, and education, by publishing worldwide.” OUP may claim to be impartial, but this author’s scholarship is certainly not.

We are asking OUP to prioritize the wellbeing of its trans employees, trans authors, and the trans community as a whole over the potential profit that this book may generate.

This petition will be sent to David Clark, Niko Pfund, Sophie Goldsworthy, Damon Zucca, and Anna-Lise Santella. If you sign, your name will be visible to these recipients.'

DomesticatedZombie · 12/04/2022 23:14

Good god. You, the members, are twerps.

Tiphaine · 12/04/2022 23:10

Christ, they're making such a fuss over it! Just ordered it to find out why.

terryleather · 12/04/2022 18:03

Is breathing white supremacy now...Confused?

Awkwardy · 12/04/2022 17:50

They're "taking a stand" now...

twitter.com/oupusaguild/status/1513655723519008772?s=20&t=BJB3kSwODIXAmcNqa4Y85w

Boycott, and I can't stress this enough ....