Martina responds to OJ

Personally I would be mortified if Marina Navratilova had occasion to speak to me in this manner. Hopefully he'll shut up.

Why do we have to agree with other people on every issue? I can agree with someone on one issue and disagree on another one. Surely the ability to decide on an issue by issue basis is the very basic building block of having an opinion.

I agree with LOJ on some things and on others think his take is a pile of wank. On balance, I think he's a tube but that doesn't preclude me agreeing on some issues.

And who gets to decide the range of opinions I'm allowed to have? Hint: I'll fucking die on the hill of it not being a no-name wank stain who writes shit for a living.

This purity concept is harming public discourse and removes the grey areas where consensus is found.

It's been pretty obvious that this distinction hasn't existed for aeons, especially in Britain, where politics have always clustered around the fairly conservative (small c) centre. That's not even taking into account the horseshoe effect of the far right/left. MRA/TRA don't resemble anything approaching the left as I remember it. I can't even feel let down by the fact that betrayal by the left always stings the most, given that's the ground on which political rights of vulnerable groups have mostly been contested. The left/right divide is now completely meaningless.

NB. the 'we are the most oppressed group in the world' shit is classic DARVO. The appalling, sobering statistics of VAWG are ample evidence of as much.

It used 'host body' for the pregnant woman.

Fucking hell. They don't even try to hide their contempt and disgust of us.

Sadly Germaine Greer had it spot on.

There are definitely some right wing conservative/ religious people in the gender critical movement. They seem outnumbered by people who hear gender critical = anti-choice and say WTF?

Assume they also believe Borris was wrong on this too ?

The attempt to tie trans activism to the struggle against racism was less successful than they hoped, so now they’re trying to tie it to feminism. One barrier might be not quite realising how many women think trans activism is deeply, fundamentally misogynistic. Another might be that - at least in the UK - the strongest voices against trans activism have no intention whatsoever of proscribing abortion.

What @ATeamAmy said is really important:

"The Democrats in the states have dangled the threat to abortion rights over the heads of female voters for decades as a ploy to keep them voting Dem, even though the Clinton and Obama legislations had 16 years between them to enshrine the right to abortion in federal law. Meanwhile, the Republicans have played the long game of stuffing the Supreme Court with their picks by persuading incumbents to retire rather than carry on until death, in order to ensure Republican candidates took the seats at times when their passage through the Senate could be guaranteed. By doing this, they can stack the court in favour of Roe v Wade can being overturned, and potentially block any proposal to enshrine RvW as federal law as unconstitutional."

Our law is different. LOJ - like many of his ilk - seems too keen to import US ideas and then grab the UHU and stick them on top of our way of life and laws.

It doesn't work and it won't work. We are not the US and they are not the UK.

[quote IvyTwines]@nepeta I really think that the women who patriarchy selects and 'allows' access to the sacred halls of power are the ones they know will toe the patriarchal line.[/quote]
Many years ago I spotted lefty blokes linking to articles supporting sex work as a good career path (but only to vulva people, of course). So yes, there is something in what you are saying.

Imagine Martina noticing him. Social media is a strange thing.

@nepeta I really think that the women who patriarchy selects and 'allows' access to the sacred halls of power are the ones they know will toe the patriarchal line.

So, just so i am clear. We are now all right wing, evangelical, anti abortion, russian money taking transphobes.

Gotcha.

Even for Talcum X this is a stretch. Has he ever met a gender critical feminist?

He’s a disgusting excuse for a human being. Imagine how
Much happier the world would be if he just kept his vile mouth shut.

Well done to Martina though. She’s a star.

It's the same as when people bring up feminists and JKR "supporting" Caroline Farrow and CitizenGO, it's most annoying.

Another heroic woman. Always loved Martina.

The progressive politician is a woman. The two I have seen work on changing the meaning of 'women and girls' are both female. One clearly doesn't understand the issues at all. Not sure about the one who tweeted about 'menstruators', to be inclusive.

It used 'host body' for the pregnant woman, but one progressive politician then tweeted about 'menstruators' as the proper terminology for pregnant women.

Dear god, it's like an episode of Black Mirror. Males debating what's the most "progressive" terminology to use whilst royally fucking over the rights of 50% of the population.

It used 'host body' for the pregnant woman, but one progressive politician then tweeted about 'menstruators' as the proper terminology for pregnant women.

Did they miss sex ed? Because that's when we DON'T have periods...

Teenage girl in the running for a women's athletics scholarship is beaten by a male who is not in the running for the mens' athletics scholarships, ruining her chances of further education, thus perpetuating the poverty cycle.

Yes, there are parallels, just not the ones your friend thinks she is drawing.