Page 2 | Martina responds to OJ

zanahoria · 2022-04-08T13:35:08+00:00

^Owen Jones is truly despicable. What an awful comparison… he clearly has no shame^ [[https://mobile.twitter.com/Martina/status/1512169135739863052]]

OldCrone · 09/04/2022 10:10

@NurseBernard

Someone needs to ask Owen Jones if he would enter into a relationship, and / or have sex with a man with a vagina and breasts.

My guess is his answer would be a hard no.

So he’s as transphobic as the next person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

He's been asked. He said the question was homophobic.

Clymene · 09/04/2022 10:03

I really want all these men - particularly gay men like OJ - who will never have to make the choice or go through abortion to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

How fucking dare you weaponise women's bodies against us? Fuck off Owen you nasty little scrote.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 09/04/2022 09:57

@NurseBernard

Someone needs to ask Owen Jones if he would enter into a relationship, and / or have sex with a man with a vagina and breasts.

My guess is his answer would be a hard no.

So he’s as transphobic as the next person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

He's been asked variations on that question and he reacts with outrage.

All of the following is a quoted message and some of the tweets no longer exist.

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Here is Owen being told by Helen Lewis and Sarah Ditum why women might be suggesting he perform cunnilingus
twitter.com/sarahditum/status/572759950642061312

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/572758871162241026

Here is Owen later writing about this time: When I wrote about trans rights earlier this year, I encountered one of the angriest and most determined backlashes against anything I have written... I was a misogynist; I was obsessively asked if I would perform cunnilingus on a trans man; female friends who communicated with me were informed I hated women; my trans friends were really “pouty men”; and so on. They do not want trans women in toilets, a cause being championed by the Republican right in the United States.... it educated me about the cruel perverse prejudice that trans people encounter, not simply from the bigoted right, but from supposed progressives too.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/20/trans-transphobia-will-young-brave-man

Here for amusement is when Owen apparently mistook the "compose tweet" 'box for the "Search"

Owen Jones has only recently written his first article on transgenderism. Despite claiming to think transphobia is hateful, Owen Jones was so shocked by a lesbian woman asking him when he last preformed cunnilingus that he tweeted this:
owen jones cunn

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3096763--peak-owen-jones?msgid=73631101

Wednesdayweekend · 09/04/2022 09:52

@MiladyBerserko

Re. Caroline Farrow, you would almost think Catholics were not allowed.

Wasn't there a protection in the Equality Act? Do Catholics, or other 'non progressive' religions get to be 'included' too. Or do they get the women treatment?

I also appreciate the pro-life campaigning Caroline has done as well as raising awareness in the UK of the issue, a debate on abortion is long overdue in this country and the success we have seen these last two weeks where strong women have stood together shows that hopefully it's something we'll see soon.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 09/04/2022 09:47

He has got a show streaming today about the trans issue with 3 TRAs (and no GC people obviously). My guess is it will be chock-a-block with references to far right extremism, abortion, white feminism, how this is just like the gay rights movement blah blah blah, and very scant on actual arguments.

They are visibly getting desperate now.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 05:50

@crispsarny

Owen Jones is a grifter.

Haha i think that sums it up perfectly.

NurseBernard · 09/04/2022 05:03

Someone needs to ask Owen Jones if he would enter into a relationship, and / or have sex with a man with a vagina and breasts.

My guess is his answer would be a hard no.

So he’s as transphobic as the next person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

crispsarny · 09/04/2022 03:43

Owen Jones is a grifter.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 03:32

OJ only cares about OJs career.

If he is under pressure at the Guardian, it makes sense for him to step up his rhetoric on this.

In the same way that Farage has gone to the US for money, I believe that OJ will look in the same way.

Especially if the centre ground politically on this issue is becoming more common in the uk.

He isn't as an attractive political commentator if things are shifting in that direction. Why would you employ him? Who else in the UK will employ him, if things go tits up in the UK?

Furries · 09/04/2022 02:59

LOJ will continue to ramp up the rhetoric. It will all be vile smears re abortion, homophobia, transphobia, right-wing/evangelical extremists.

What he will never do is stop for a moment to think that “hang on, I could be vaguely helpful if I really wanted to”.

He doesn’t give a shit about finding solutions/third spaces etc. He doesn’t give a shit about engaging in a meaningful way. The only thing he gives a shit about is spewing his nonsensical shite far and wide.

And I will never be able to unsee or forget his “look what you made us do” strapline. Blooming gross to paraphrase a line that many perpetrators of DV use.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/04/2022 00:00

Tara Hewitt, 30, who works in the Wirral as the boroughs’s equality and diversity advisor said she is pro-life but ‘doesn’t force those views on others.'

Well that's not true. If I don't want an abortion, I don't have an abortion. Tara will never need an abortion and if that's the case, shut up. Don't put it in the paper. Why would you? If it's a personal choice about your own body, STFU.

It's disingenuous. And an equality officer who is pro-forced birth is a bad one.

littlbrowndog · 08/04/2022 23:22

What’s it got do to with him

Such a wee creep.

He will never have to consider having a abortion.

Wee creep

thanksforthefish · 08/04/2022 23:14

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RedToothBrush · 08/04/2022 23:02

@Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople

OJ has gone in hard on the abortion thing the last few days, in desperation, as trans ideology really starts to be uncovered for what it is.

I have to say, of all the tactics trans activists use, the 'nice abortion rights you have there ladies, would be a shame if someone took them away' line is particularly grim.

If i were a cynic I'd say that in a week where there is a fuss about OJ and bullying at the garden and OJ suddenly starts going on about abortion linked to trans rights issues, I'd say 'my how very very American of you to say that, there isn't a chance that you might be looking elsewhere for new careers opportunities now is there?'

If I were a cynic.

Of course I'm not. OJ is only pitching for a US audience because he thinks this is out of the poor goodnes of his heart.... Honest.

DomesticatedZombie · 08/04/2022 22:58

So: Tara Hewitt is allowed to be anti-abortion, but Caroline Farrow isn't? How come? What is so special about Tara (who has no uterus, fwiw)?

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DomesticatedZombie · 08/04/2022 22:51

Ask Tara Hewitt; Catholic, anti abortion, etc, yet for some reason it's not mentioned so much. Maybe it's not even to do with a person's religion or views ...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4522576-Tara-Hewitt-Head-of-Equality-Diversion-Inclusion-at-Northern-Care-Alliance-advising-NHS-leaders-to-ignore-EHRCs-recent-guidance

MiladyBerserko · 08/04/2022 22:29

Re. Caroline Farrow, you would almost think Catholics were not allowed.

Wasn't there a protection in the Equality Act? Do Catholics, or other 'non progressive' religions get to be 'included' too. Or do they get the women treatment?

ScreamingMeMe · 08/04/2022 21:36

Pffft Martina is world famous. LOJ...not so much.

Once again for the people at the back: twitter is not real life

DomesticatedZombie · 08/04/2022 21:10

I think this is a 'no uterus; no opinion' situation.

EdithStourton · 08/04/2022 21:06

This purity concept is harming public discourse and removes the grey areas where consensus is found.
Yes, precisely.

Between Talcum X's comments here, and Grace 'penis like an miscarried foetus' Lavery on Women's Hour yesterday, I'm just about done. The lack of empathy these two display is completely mind-blowing. They have no fucking idea.

Not for the first time, I wish MN had a vomit emoticon.

exwhyzed · 08/04/2022 20:58

I don't think he's losing much sleep over what an irrelevant tennis player with less than half his followers is saying

Lots of people follow OJ because they want to know what shite he is coming out with. To be forewarned is to be forearmed as it were.

Much like why so many people followed Trump really. For the entertainment value.

I would imagine people mostly follow Martina because of her sporting prowess and otherwise because they agree with with what she has to say.

nepeta · 08/04/2022 20:06

@Thetailfeather

Why do we have to agree with other people on every issue? I can agree with someone on one issue and disagree on another one. Surely the ability to decide on an issue by issue basis is the very basic building block of having an opinion.

I agree with LOJ on some things and on others think his take is a pile of wank. On balance, I think he's a tube but that doesn't preclude me agreeing on some issues.

And who gets to decide the range of opinions I'm allowed to have? Hint: I'll fucking die on the hill of it not being a no-name wank stain who writes shit for a living.

This purity concept is harming public discourse and removes the grey areas where consensus is found.

I am very troubled by that, too. It is tribalism which is created and supported by the ways we engage in online debates where tribal membership matters more than debating issues in a polite and constructive way, and where 'who' is allowed to speak at all is based not on what that person might say but on who that person declares themselves to be.

After having said that, I don't know anything else about OJs opinions except the way he appears to look down on women with vulvas.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/04/2022 20:05

I don't think he's losing much sleep over what an irrelevant tennis player with less than half his followers is saying.

One of the greatest tennis players of all time.

But yes, number of social media followers is how good people judge someone's character. Not by their accomplishments.

napody · 08/04/2022 19:50

@ErrolTheDragon

Martina has said all that needs saying about OJ.

The thing is though, women concerned about womens rights haven't 'zoned in' on sports, we've been discussing many aspects for many years. It's commentators at large, average blokes etc who can simply see it very clearly in sports- they can see what a 'trans woman' is, see how it's unfair for them to be competing with women, see that contrary to what whining apologists pretend it's reall not complicated at all.

This is exactly it. And it’s kind of depressing that society at large cares more about fairness in sports than about vulnerable women in refuges and prisons, but it does and now it has traction. And yes this is leading to greater scrutiny on all the other issues. And yes also as another poster said, this is LOJ rattled and desperate and making the most ridiculous, how-can-he-not-see-the-irony comparisons.