Martina responds to OJ

zanahoria · 2022-04-08T13:35:08+00:00

^Owen Jones is truly despicable. What an awful comparison… he clearly has no shame^ [[https://mobile.twitter.com/Martina/status/1512169135739863052]]

NurseBernard · 09/04/2022 19:51

I can't find the quote, but he thought it was homophobic to suggest that a gay man should consider a sexual relationship with someone with a female body. This was after he called lesbians transphobic for refusing to have sex with 'transwomen' with penises.

He's a hypocrite.

As suspected. One rule for him. One rule for women.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 15:54

@ErrolTheDragon

I very much doubt that all OJs 'followers' are actually supporters of his.

Everyone who follows and hates his guts say aye

"aye!"

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2022 15:13

This may be easier (if it doesn't get removed)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10684927/Former-Archbishop-Canterbury-urges-ministers-include-trans-people-conversion-therapy-ban.html

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2022 15:12

@MiladyBerserko

Re. Caroline Farrow, you would almost think Catholics were not allowed.

Wasn't there a protection in the Equality Act? Do Catholics, or other 'non progressive' religions get to be 'included' too. Or do they get the women treatment?

Progressive religions? Do you mean like the Cof E (and assorted friends) where beacons such as the former archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams sent a letter to the PM about the sacredness of 'being trans'.

Interesting how the letter compares 'being trans' to a conversion to Christianity. "To be trans is to enter a sacred journey of being whole". Well, they are right on one level. It is a personal belief. Or was before laws were changed and a whole sex class are screwed over to facilitate this 'sacred journey' of the believers.

Just put https before the following link (no gap between that and the : ).

://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10684927/Former-Archbishop-Canterbury-urges-ministers-include-trans-people-conversion-therapy-ban.html

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 09/04/2022 13:42

[quote OldCrone]How is the question homophobic? I take it he didn’t answer it, then?

I can't find the quote, but he thought it was homophobic to suggest that a gay man should consider a sexual relationship with someone with a female body. This was after he called lesbians transphobic for refusing to have sex with 'transwomen' with penises.

He's a hypocrite.

I think it all started with this article in 2015.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/20/trans-transphobia-will-young-brave-man[/quote]
Yes it was that article and the Twitter conversation around it (upthread).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4524867-Martina-responds-to-OJ?msgid=116493641

OldCrone · 09/04/2022 13:36

How is the question homophobic? I take it he didn’t answer it, then?

I can't find the quote, but he thought it was homophobic to suggest that a gay man should consider a sexual relationship with someone with a female body. This was after he called lesbians transphobic for refusing to have sex with 'transwomen' with penises.

He's a hypocrite.

I think it all started with this article in 2015.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/20/trans-transphobia-will-young-brave-man

letsallchant · 09/04/2022 13:19

@Thetailfeather

Why do we have to agree with other people on every issue? I can agree with someone on one issue and disagree on another one. Surely the ability to decide on an issue by issue basis is the very basic building block of having an opinion.

I agree with LOJ on some things and on others think his take is a pile of wank. On balance, I think he's a tube but that doesn't preclude me agreeing on some issues.

And who gets to decide the range of opinions I'm allowed to have? Hint: I'll fucking die on the hill of it not being a no-name wank stain who writes shit for a living.

This purity concept is harming public discourse and removes the grey areas where consensus is found.

Great post.

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2022 13:09

And, Martina Navratilova is known the world over. Some niche, self righteous opinion writer doesn't have the same status at all. MN has come out when it was not in her self interest and has lost revenue because of it. Not just a different type of character. Martina has character.

Cailleach1 · 09/04/2022 13:03

@NurseBernard

Someone needs to ask Owen Jones if he would enter into a relationship, and / or have sex with a man with a vagina and breasts.

My guess is his answer would be a hard no.

So he’s as transphobic as the next person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I highly doubt you would receive an honest answer. When the body of a woman is required to produce offspring, then you'll see that these chappies know very well what a woman is. They won't arrive at one by accident, or assume everyone simply with nail varnish, and she/her pronouns is the ticket then.

Nah, the boyos will ditch the pretence for as long as the hiring transaction takes, and they are delivered of the goods. Then they'll pretend they are be all confused again.

NurseBernard · 09/04/2022 12:59

@Igneococcus

I wonder how many people outside the UK have even heard of Owen Jones, I bet none in my family has ever heard of him (and that includes an active leftish politician) whereas everyone knows Martina Navratilova.

I’m not in the UK. This thread is the first time I’ve heard of him (hence my question above).

Martina Navratilova, on the other hand, world famous.

He's been asked. He said the question was homophobic.

How is the question homophobic? I take it he didn’t answer it, then?

oliviastwisted · 09/04/2022 12:45

This picture on the tweet sums up OJ.

Original poster

zanahoria · 09/04/2022 12:23

Also she is someone who OJ is very scared of

He normally answers back

Total silence

OP posts:

Original poster

zanahoria · 09/04/2022 12:18

Martina is also the greatest sportswoman of the 20th Century

OP posts:

Igneococcus · 09/04/2022 11:53

I wonder how many people outside the UK have even heard of Owen Jones, I bet none in my family has ever heard of him (and that includes an active leftish politician) whereas everyone knows Martina Navratilova.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/04/2022 11:49

I very much doubt that all OJs 'followers' are actually supporters of his.

WinterTrees · 09/04/2022 11:08

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

I don't think he's losing much sleep over what an irrelevant tennis player with less than half his followers is saying

Martina is a lesbian icon.

Exactly this.

Martina Navratilova is not just a lesbian icon, but someone who has been hugely impacted by homophobia, forcibly outed at a time when being a lesbian carried real stigma, and used her platform to campaign for equality. When she came out in 1981 she was the first sportswoman to announce her sexuality, and it cost her millions in lost sponsorship opportunities.

If Little OJ sees her as an irrelevant tennis player, that's either a mark of his supreme ignorance or further evidence of his misogyny and lesbophobia. If it's the first, I'm embarrassed for him. If it's the second I'm disgusted.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 09/04/2022 10:54

a debate on abortion is long overdue in this country

I am beyond irritated with the wilful conflation of the UK and USA—especially when the latter doesn't have a consistent policy.

JellySaurus · 09/04/2022 10:42

a debate on abortion is long overdue in this country

Why? Women have the right to abortion on the NHS in this country. It is not withheld from them. No woman who disagrees with abortion is obliged to have one.

The only debate is how to ensure that all women in the UK genuinely have access to abortion.

Rainbowshit · 09/04/2022 10:35

So relevance and worth is measured in social media followers is it?

The history books will show:
Martina Navratilova one of the greatest female tennis players of all time.

Owen Jones had over 1m followed on Twitter.

What an achievement Owen, no wonder he's so proud of himself /s

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 09/04/2022 10:27

I don't think he's losing much sleep over what an irrelevant tennis player with less than half his followers is saying

Martina is a lesbian icon.

DomesticatedZombie · 09/04/2022 10:22

Self justification fallacy becomes a way of life for some.

DomesticatedZombie · 09/04/2022 10:21

Good points 're why he'd try to crowbar US abortion into the matter of UK politics. I thought it was just a crass and clumsy analogy, but makes more sense that he's desperately trying to extend a semblance of 'relevance ' to a new audience. The UK has woken up to the bullshit; OJ needs to hunt for more outrage clicks so naturally will turn to the states. How depressingly utilitarian.

KimikosNightmare · 09/04/2022 10:19

@ScreamingMeMe

Pffft Martina is world famous. LOJ...not so much.

Once again for the people at the back: twitter is not real life

It's so difficult to tell what's parody/ sarcasm and isn't these days

I don't think he's losing much sleep over what an irrelevant tennis player with less than half his followers is saying

That comment must be sarcasm surely?

I mean Martina Navratilova is one of the greatest living sportswomen, indeed sportsperson. People who have no interest at all in sport know who she is- a sort of much nicer and much more decent Maradona.

As for OJ's suggestion that abortion rights are at risk- well they quite obviously aren't in the UK. A large number of those scary Tories voted to keep telemedication; you can't assume those who voted against it are against abortion. Some will have been - some were genuinely concerned about the downside of telemedication. The results of the Scottish Government consultation for example highlighted (and I'm assuming will ignore) responses by obviously anti- abortion lobbyists but still left responses which were clearly not anti-abortion but were genuinely raising concerns simply about the procedure. (Scottish Government hasn't made a decision yet)

As for the , "imagine being on the same side as Boris- ooh how scary" point. Many people are. I vote Conservative and as pointed out Boris has backed and has sent more arms to Ukraine than any other country.

Even turns out that although probably for completely different reasons I'm in complete agreement with Caroline Farrow and Tara Hewitt on surrogacy. Funny old world.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 09/04/2022 10:15

I also appreciate the pro-life campaigning Caroline has done as well as raising awareness in the UK of the issue, a debate on abortion is long overdue in this country and the success we have seen these last two weeks where strong women have stood together shows that hopefully it's something we'll see soon

Nice try.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 09/04/2022 10:13

@Clymene

I really want all these men - particularly gay men like OJ - who will never have to make the choice or go through abortion to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

How fucking dare you weaponise women's bodies against us? Fuck off Owen you nasty little scrote.

To be fair, as somebody who is seeking surrogacy to procure a child of his own, OJ might argue that he may have a theoretical interest in the topic. I would disagree but I shouldn't think OJ cares about that.