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Single sex spaces

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Notcreativeatall · 07/04/2022 09:42

Genuine question here
is the support for single sex spaces - and not allowing trans people in on their chosen sex rather than their biological sex - different if the trans people were narrowly defined- ie would people think it acceptable to allow someone who has had all the surgery etc access to a female only space? A lot of the arguments is against having male-bodied people in however they self identify- but if someone has fully transitioned are they arguably no longer a threat?

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CloseYourEyesAndSee · 07/04/2022 10:04

I don't think that having your genitalia surgically altered stops a man from being a man so no

Wimbunds · 07/04/2022 10:02

A bloke with hormone treatment/surgery is still a bloke. And how do I know the status of a man if he's next to me in the M&S changing rooms? He's still a man who is probably stronger than me. He will still be a risk that I can't quantity. Being a trans identifying male doesn't mean that man respects women and girls. When I am in a changing room with women I don't have to consider these risks - a woman is not going to harm me. Target men and tell them to be respectful of trans identifying males.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2022 10:02

I think we have seen what happens when you make exceptions. Let one in let them all in.

Has to be a blanket no.
Any anger should be aimed at those who indulged and mislead . Told them that they would be able to do it. Amd not the men and women upholding their legal right to sex segregated spaces .

Whatdidisay · 07/04/2022 09:57

Even if people did feel differently about the fully transitioned, How could you tell who had had bottom surgery without a strip search on entrance?
So Its a no from me, even if full surgery has been preformed!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 07/04/2022 09:54

You might want to look here or the Break It Down For Me thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4521371-New-visitors-start-here

tabbycatstripy · 07/04/2022 09:47

It’s not as simple as that. It’s not solely about ‘threat’, but about female dignity and comfort, which is both a generally recognised need, and a highly subjective concern.

So while I might be very comfortable sharing a bathroom with a male person who has had full reassignment surgery (and not, maybe, with someone male who hasn’t), I might still not feel comfortable accepting a full body search in a police station from two such people. Or I might be.

The only clear line - the only fair line - has to be natal sex. It’s immutable. There is no reason a medical venue can’t co-operate with my request for a female person to (for example) do a cervical or breast examination, if that’s what makes me comfortable, and no detriment to the male person being named as a natal male, even if they have had surgery to invert their penis.

RoseslnTheHospital · 07/04/2022 09:46

"Fully transitioned" means taking cross sex hormones and having had surgery to remove/redesign genitalia? That doesn't make the person their "chosen sex". It doesn't alter the fact that, in the case of a transwoman, they are male and present the same risk to women as any other male.

mudgetastic · 07/04/2022 09:46

Think you will get mixed responses

But also I have found that the few lower body surgical people I have come across ( 1 IRL rest online) are not after single sex space access - they seem to be much more self aware

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