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Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)

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CaveMum · 07/04/2022 08:17

Why on earth I do not know, but the “delightful” Grace Lavery is on Woman’s Hour today.

This Grace Lavery

Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)
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MidsomerMurmurs · 07/04/2022 17:27

@PrelateChuckles I think a lot of the deleted post would be where anyone forgot Grace's gender

I’d be willing to bet that none of the deleted posts were referring anybody’s gender.

PamDenick · 07/04/2022 17:26

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LittleWhingingWoman · 07/04/2022 17:24

Love how Grace thinks there's not many Terfs around. What Grace doesn't realise is that lots of Terfs have been going to Grace's talks and silently taking note of the gaslighting and Grace promotion.

LK1972 · 07/04/2022 17:24

Yep, wrong pronouns in my deleted post, forgot we're not allowed to trust our ears and need to check everyone's pronouns before discussing their comments on the radio.

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:23

I wonder if we could get Grace on here as a guest speaker!

MsTSwift · 07/04/2022 17:22

I thought it was Russell Brand at first wondered why he was on WH similar speaking style and voice - though Russell Brand though verbiose usually at least makes sense.

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:21

@NecessaryScene

I did indeed temporarily forget Grace’s gender.

If "gender" is supposed to be some sort of sex stereotype, I'm not sure Grace is the gender Grace claims to be. Grace might want to rethink. Wink

Yes, and listening on the radio meant I couldn’t see their dress.
YesSheCan · 07/04/2022 17:21

@DomesticatedZombie

How have things come to the point where someone can proclaim a TQ++ identity and this somehow gives them immunity from any consequences if they behave abusively and with no regard for other people's boundaries?

A cynic might say that was reverse-engineering.

Yes, one might. Not topic of this thread, I know, but a recent example of where this might turn out to be the case springs to mind.
fluffiphlox · 07/04/2022 17:20

I think I got deleted because I called Grace the wrong thing.

MidsomerMurmurs · 07/04/2022 17:19

@WinterTrees I have absolutely no idea in what way that broke Talk guidelines

It didn’t. There must be special secret guidelines that cover most deletions on this part of Mumsnet.

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:17

impenetrable academic verbosity yes it really was this.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/04/2022 17:16

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NecessaryScene · 07/04/2022 17:15

I did indeed temporarily forget Grace’s gender.

If "gender" is supposed to be some sort of sex stereotype, I'm not sure Grace is the gender Grace claims to be. Grace might want to rethink. Wink

WinterTrees · 07/04/2022 17:15

I got a post deleted that theorised that Grace's identity as a clever person is possibly more important to Grace than their identity as a female person, hence the impenetrable academic verbosity.

I have absolutely no idea in what way that broke Talk guidelines. I mean, it fell short of being flattering to Grace, but I believe it was a fair point of discussion. No slurs, no misgendering (as far as I'm aware - I'm usually careful, though obvs there's always the possibility of an inadvertent slip.) I'm quite cross about it.

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:12

That was a response to warrior

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:11

I know. Fucks me right off too.

borntobequiet · 07/04/2022 17:11

Goodness me, just listened to it. What a load of tosh.
The preceding interview was heartbreaking.

WarriorN · 07/04/2022 17:10

@LittleSnakes

I did indeed temporarily forget Grace’s gender. It wasn’t even deliberate. I was just listening to the radio and posting while I have a very ill kid in bed sleeping next to me.

Women all around the world are forced to capitulate to patriarchal forces.

And then we are here again.

Fuming.

And fuming that I've had to alter my language too.

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:05

I did indeed temporarily forget Grace’s gender. It wasn’t even deliberate. I was just listening to the radio and posting while I have a very ill kid in bed sleeping next to me.

PrelateChuckles · 07/04/2022 17:02

I think a lot of the deleted post would be where anyone forgot Grace's gender.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2022 17:02

It was really hard to work out where to put the commas!

Oh for the love of a succinct paragraph!

LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 17:02

Btw I’m assuming it was pronouns. Because my posts weren’t inflammatory. Just took the piss a bit out of their book title and being shit at makeup.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/04/2022 17:01

'they' is usually okay. And we're allowed to correctly sex a person, on the whole ('X is male, was born male, will always be male,' etc). But take care with 'man/male/he/him' etc.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2022 17:01

I expect its true that the phrase 'sex based rights' didn't occur before 2015.

I did industrial relations at uni in the 90s. Full of mentions of 'sex based rights'. Directly to counter, negative sexist discrimination in as many forms as it was able to for the time. This is a falsehood that has been spread by TRAs.

Melroses · 07/04/2022 17:00

Mine got deleted. I think that is my first proper deletion - I usually get deleted for quoting deleted posts. However I still don't know why it got deleted.

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