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Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)

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CaveMum · 07/04/2022 08:17

Why on earth I do not know, but the “delightful” Grace Lavery is on Woman’s Hour today.

This Grace Lavery

Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)
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LittleSnakes · 07/04/2022 11:18

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SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 07/04/2022 11:18

Is there an issue in the USA with surgeons no longer making sure that dysphoric patients understand that it's not possible to change sex?

It used to be the case - and I believe still is in the UK - that patients would ONLY be approved for "reassignment" surgery if the surgeon was satisfied that the patient did understand and could independently articulate that they would NOT/could NOT change sex. Scott Newgent has also talked about genuinely being under the impression that "sex reassignment surgery" could literally result in a sex change. Which seems to possibly border on medical malpractice.

It seems to go back several years at least. Perhaps something for the BBC to investigate if they really want to wade in - they did some good work exposing widespread anti-black racism in medicine in the USA when no local "journalists" would touch the topic.

Manderleyagain · 07/04/2022 11:17

I wasn't going to listen because I thought it was someone like that bloke who runs pink news waffling on. Then I saw this thread and tuned back in.

So much of what GL said was wrong, and its depressing that some academics and (as a pp put it) midwit students believe it. But the main thing I want to say is that I'm a gc feminists (roughly) and I have no desire to protest grace lavery, or to prevent her speaking. I definitely don't want to bang on the windows of the room to prevent other people hearing her. Her position is the more extreme and detached from reality of the theoretical positions than underpin the trans rights movement. The more people hear it the better. I hope she goes on newsnight and question time, start the week, lbc, talk radio, and I hope she describes everything that she believes in full. And the nation's bored and baffled listeners will form their own opinions.

beastlyslumber · 07/04/2022 11:17

What does GL mean that women's rights mustn't be sex based? What else could they be?

EstelleCostanza · 07/04/2022 11:16

I note GL employed a particularly condescending tone for the simple minded matrons who comprise the WH listenership.
Or perhaps GL always talks like that. That would be unfortunate

HollowTalk · 07/04/2022 11:15

@millytint44

Woman's hour doesn't exactly have a great track record. I stopped listening when they had the audacity to use phrases like pregnant people / people who have periods. FFS if you can't say "women and girls" on woman's hour Hmm
That must have been a guest saying that, surely? Can you remember which presenter was on that day?
Historyherstory · 07/04/2022 11:14

I’ve never rated EB but the interview didn’t go as badly as I thought it might!

OccultGnuAsWell · 07/04/2022 11:13

Male privilege is writing an entire book about your dick, openly saying that you are a pervert and still having the academic world defend you if anybody dares to question your claim that you're a woman.

I so like this take in the twitter stream

Duracellbunnywannabe · 07/04/2022 11:13

@WinterTrees

'Can a women have a penis is a bizarre and dangerous question' says our Gracey.

I think most people could agree with that, but not quite in the way Grace thinks.

20 years ago it would have been a bizarre question because everyone knew the same answer.
ResisterRex · 07/04/2022 11:12

Incomprehensible. Unevidenced. Contradictory. Verbose.

And all undone by this question:

"If you don't want a world where borders are policed, why are you trying to police women?"

Clymene · 07/04/2022 11:12

It's a shame that so many people on Twitter are having a go at Emma for having Grace on. We absolutely need to give people like Grace a platform to speak. People need to hear the intellectual noodle bollocks for themselves.

Historyherstory · 07/04/2022 11:11

I caught the end of this - just incomprehensible bollocks!!??

I think GL had a few lines of something before coming the interview. No one talks that fast without ‘support’ do they?

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2022 11:11

Oh missed it dam work.

But this thread 🤣🤣🤣 awesome work

Seema1234 · 07/04/2022 11:10

That was classic. Talk about an own goal. Grin

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 07/04/2022 11:10

@Clymene

Women who are invested in patriarchy don't believe the class women can include people with penises. Hmm

Oh really Grace?

Wonderful!

Because it’s not like “women with penises” literally are the patriarchy.

beastlyslumber · 07/04/2022 11:08

Just listening to this now... I highly doubt anyone has ever praised GL for being caring, generous and thoughtful.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 07/04/2022 11:08

@DomesticatedZombie

I'm off out but will transcribe later. I only wish there was a way to add accent and intonation to typed words, though, because it really adds to the experience.
Completely off-topic but, yes—somewhat akin to the experience of this (happens around 2:50 for anyone who doesn't want to listen to the first part of Moonlight Sonata).
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CaveMum · 07/04/2022 11:07

My first ever thread in "Trending Now" - I'm very proud!

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Redshoeblueshoe · 07/04/2022 11:06

I've not listened yet - but this thread has had me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Artichokeleaves · 07/04/2022 11:05

It's been said from the start on FWR: all we ever had to do was get past no debate.

After that, all we have to do is let people like Grace make the case out loud and wait for everyone else to get the full picture.

WinterTrees · 07/04/2022 11:04

@CaveMum

Disappointing that they didn't read out more listener comments at the end of the programme, I suspect they were inundated!
I only saw one supportive comment on the twitter thread, and that was of the generic 'so inspiring' kind (suggesting the tweeter hadn't listened to the interview) so maybe Emma didn't feel she could provide the required BBC balance Grin
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CaveMum · 07/04/2022 11:01

Disappointing that they didn't read out more listener comments at the end of the programme, I suspect they were inundated!

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tabbycatstripy · 07/04/2022 10:59

“incomprehensible bollocks and a smattering of regicide”

Grin Also liked.

“The French Revolution, right...”

Did GLavery just threaten the Queen on British soil?

Never mind. I think Mi5 is captured.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/04/2022 10:59

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I've got to the bit about course evaluations and about how Lavery is experiencing a change from being called 'intelligent' to 'caring' and I am seething. Grace chose this - I live a life where men in academia are allowed to be selfish and to look after their best interests but if a woman dares privilege this over 'caring' they are fucked in the evaluations but of course, being 'caring' means they get all the 'caring' jobs thus leaving less time to do all the career-enhancing things.

This. is. my. life. and. my. oppression.

For me, it is not a costume.

I can't listen anymore.

I'm too angry.

Of course, Grace finds it 'deeply affirming' to be 'treated like shit'. Just reposting this picture.
Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)