Grace Lavery on Woman’s Hour Today (7 April)

Who thinks it's inappropriate to give a platform to a person who has told us, without a specific statement but with photos and a book, that performing femininity is arousing?

I feel that interview was conducted with one of them getting rather more out of it than the other.

I feel sullied by the BBC making me listen to GL wang on about GL's wang. I turned the radio off once I clocked that, but, it's still a bit, just ugh.

Gender critical people want the government to license womanhood

Erm...isn't that what trans activists already lobbied for and got in the form of the GRA?

I really don't think that was us.

I think he should consider himself lucky that academia exists at all because he'd find it damn hard to get a such a prominent gig anywhere outside the closed, fawning environment he's cosseted and protected within now

Oh absolutely this.

Lavery dare not step outside the bubble, which is he ran with such speed from the debate with Helen Joyce.

Yes, and is there anyone previously on the fence, wondering what it's all about who listened to that and is now thinking, oh yes Grace, you've nailed it for me, I see now, TWAW totally.
Don't all rush at once.

Couldn't resist asking my 'drunk on the trans kool aid' family member who I know listens to woman's hour what they thought.

Apparently there was a trans woman on who talked a lot of sense.

There's no hope for them...

As an aside, I wonder if FWR's contrary regulars listened and found wisdom and insight in Grace's monologue? They must be thrilled to have so much prime airtime given to a representative of their cause, and for that person to be allowed to speak with such little interruption.

It's also nothing new for (some!) academics to talk deliberately opaque waffle studded with vague snatches of references. The point of it is being incomprehensible. So you will fool some people who will suspect the failure is with their comprehension, rather than with the person doing the queerwaffle gishgallop.

I think this is what Nussbaum's essay on Butler pretty much said, wasn't it?

Yes, I also had that picture in mind. All flowing hair and a carefully placed hand.

Venus envy?

I really, really don't like what I see of GL's treatment of their spouse, it's horrible. And also banging on about being a pervert. It's this weird paradigm where it would be so bigoted and transphobic to find anything about a trans person peverted or morally doubtful, that whatever they do it must not be questioned or seen as bad, because that would be transphobia.

So when se see GL boasting about forcing DL to do bodily things against DL's will and openly claiming to be a pervert and clearly being penis-obsessed, we're all supposed to go "oh what admirable queerness" and pretend we understand. Thus GL can just carry on in plain sight plus have a top job and be a pillar of the community.

If it was a bogstandard bloke wanging on endlessly about his penis and openly admitting to being a pervert, then posting about abusing his female partner, people would just call the police.

Possibly all a bit Naked Venus Rising From the Water?

I said Venus.

So insensed I have written to complain.

Apparently Terf Bangs are a fringe

There always, always has to be a label
and a costume
and a badge
and a flag
and rules
and stereotypes
Little boxes made out of tickytacky and they all look just the same.

Grace Lavery is trending on Twitter now.

Even in the misogyny cesspit the tide has turned.

Bat shit crazy

[quote CrossPurposes]@LittleSnakes Daniel used to be Mallory Ortberg. There is a Wikipedia page.[/quote]
Oh I remember reading Mallory Ortberg when she used to do the problem page on Slate.com.
Decent writer, but then went a little bit odd on trans issues in the problem page for about a year before officially becoming Danny. I remember one person worrying about getting 'Terf Bangs' cut into her hair being a particular low point. Apparently Terf Bangs are a fringe, rather than me clicking my tongue and doing a finger bang at you.

What a piece of luck that GL's moment of true gender revelation and spiritual journey began in a hot tub. Uncannily like a baptism. All those cleansing, birthing and religious associations. Such a great visual picture to be able to paint. So lucky the moment didn't occur when GL was putting the bins out or renewing the car insurance.

What a strange thing to say that just because no one came to the book launches to protests it means the gender critical movement is tiny

Yet more evidence that to some male people, unless it's happening personally to them, it isn't happening and doesn't exist.

Why would someone wanting the govt to maintain female only spaces waste their time protesting at someone utterly committed to removing those spaces and subordinating women? It's not in GL's power to give or take those spaces, and oddly enough females really don't see this as being all about GL.

Gender critical people want the government to license womanhood

Do they?

Who are these people? Where is this written down or evidenced?

All I see is female people saying we need female only spaces, and those spaces have to mean female only, even though it really pisses off male people that they exist and they'd be much happier just cracking on excluding females and destroying their equality of access in peace. Because it's not all and only about the feelings of male people and answers have to work for everyone and not just them.

Anyone for a bit of inspiring cycling news?

www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/07/transgender-cyclist-emily-bridges-in-line-for-lottery-funding-if-allowed-to-compete

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople I'm raising my post-lunch cup of tea to your MIL, who sounds like a wise woman. Sorry for your loss.