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Nancy writes for The Guardian

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 07/04/2022 07:19

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/cancelling-lgbt-conference-government-conversion-practices-trans-people

It seems stonewall are responsible for the “conversation therapy = ECT” doing the rounds atm. I did wonder how all of a sudden that started being quoted everywhere. I assume sone kind of briefing had gone out

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 07/04/2022 07:50

Trans people were being “treated” with electroshock therapy on the NHS well into the 1970s

Back when trans meant homosexual transexual and it was homophobia.

tabbycatstripy · 07/04/2022 07:47

Of course there isn’t evidence people are shocking adolescents to change their ‘gender identities’. Imagine the story!

What NK means is that people tell their teenagers they’re not male, and no, they can’t have sex-change drugs.

BenCooperisaGod · 07/04/2022 07:46

In my view the primary therapeutic goal for gender questioning young people should ALWAYS be helping them to be comfortable with the body and brain they have. Transition should only be considered if therapy fails to achieve this primary aim. Lifelong medication with profound side effects and removal of healthy body parts should not be seen as a good outcome, in all but the most extreme cases of dysphoria that cannot be resolved through other means.

Signalbox · 07/04/2022 07:43

A briefing must have gone out from stonewall. But is there any evidence at all that ECT is still used for this purpose?

If there was it would be headline news.

tabbycatstripy · 07/04/2022 07:42

To be fair, I had no idea ECT was still used on psychiatric patients (many without their consent) and find that disturbing and baffling.

Obviously NK doesn’t mean people are actually using this technique on children. She just wants to muddy the waters and draw a convoluted line between ECT and not immediately affirming your ‘trans child’ over eggs in the morning.

PronounssheRa · 07/04/2022 07:40

I wondered why Kay Burley was banging on about ECT a couple of days ago when interviewing sajid javid and she asked a question about conversion therapy.

A briefing must have gone out from stonewall. But is there any evidence at all that ECT is still used for this purpose?

bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 07:38

ECT has to be signed off by health care professionals. This idea that there are hcps lining up to torture trans people with ECT is scaremongering bollocks.

tabbycatstripy · 07/04/2022 07:33

Despite the fact that declaring yourself trans is possible at any time of life, it appears children are Nancy’s focus:

‘Today, anti-trans groups talk publicly about having a goal of “100% desistence”; or targeting trans children and young people with conversion practices until no more trans people exist.’

Even if every single child with gender-related distress did (without the aid of any abusive practice such as electric shock therapy - which would be illegal without any ban on trans conversion therapy) desist, it doesn’t follow that there would be no trans people.

There would still be plenty of people getting to adulthood or middle age and determining that their happiest lives involve presenting as the opposite sex.

NK thinks the existence of trans people depends on the existence of children on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, and is therefore motivated to increase the numbers of that class of people. She’s dangerous.

sashagabadon · 07/04/2022 07:29

It’s rather extraordinary as the conference was cancelled as Stonewall pulled out. So the cancellation is on them. No doubt they did it to force the Government’s hand and it backfired on them but then they should have a better strategist.

Signalbox · 07/04/2022 07:25

Trans people were being “treated” with electroshock therapy on the NHS well into the 1970s.

So 50 years ago. Not now.

Crcohetmonster · 07/04/2022 07:23

I think Nancy is a bit upset her tantrum didn’t work.

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