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Do people really believe this about transition?

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MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 06/04/2022 18:28

twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1511710676473069568

Is this part of the issue - besides the misogyny? That people really do believe you can partially or completely become the opposite sex?

“Trans women can go through female puberty and develop biologically female bone structure. Trans women can biologically develop female muscle mass.” Or is this just Tom Harwood being, well, himself?

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MoonOnASpoon · 07/04/2022 12:28

Yes people really do believe it, including intelligent people I know. They have been told as if it's authoritative fact that your sex isn't really your chromosomes but a bunch of other stuff that can be changed. Then there are the people for whom you just magically are whatever you say you are (as regards sex) so you a boy just IS a girl etc and hence has changed sex by saying so, and the physicality is irrelevant.

Hence the starring role of the clownfish which does actually change sex, but only because it has the genetic potential to be either sex and function as either sex - not because it's been pumped full of extra hormones and had surgery. But this isn't about thinking or reason.

If people could change sex, we would expect to see the same rate of reproductive function in the "changed" sex as all people of that sex have. I.e. though not all women can get pregnant, a high percentage can. We would expect to see the same rates in TW if people could change sex. The fact that no one has ever been reproductively functional in their new "gender identity" suggests changing sex isn't a thing in humans like it is in clownfish.

Knittingchamp · 07/04/2022 11:26

@nepeta

Harwood has also advocated the wolf whistle test to trans women, stating that if they get whistled at by heterosexual men, then they are clearly women. It's an oddly sexualised definition of what a woman is, though not an uncommon one when this issue is discussed.
It's the quintessential example of white male privilege, isn't it, a not very talented, misinformed bloke being given a big pulpit to spout his rubbish confidently and from, when he does not have any of the knowledge, intelligence, experience or qualifications to do so, yet feeling perpetually entitled to be respected and heard.
FOJN · 07/04/2022 08:10

Has Tom acknowledged there are only two sexes? If transwomen are not biologically male the what does he think they are? How could they be transwomen if they were born female?

I'm off to by myself a dictionary. Grin

AuntyFungal · 07/04/2022 07:52

All that money spent on his education.

Mind you, Durham. I wonder if Tom paid his way with particular work…

GAHgamel · 07/04/2022 07:29

@HereAgainFFS

Is Tom hardwood some troll? He has the intellect of a potato
I'd have said he's a total plank. And not just because the surname typo means it's an amusing pun.
FemaleAndLearning · 06/04/2022 23:41

@MingeofDeath

Who is Tom Harwood?
GB News reporter. Young conservative I thought, but maybe I'm wrong?
FemaleAndLearning · 06/04/2022 23:40

Remember the average reading age in the UK is 9 years old, not saying that is true from Tom Tidy Your Room, but so many people believe everything they are told. Unfortunately the first lie always wins. C

MingeofDeath · 06/04/2022 23:23

Who is Tom Harwood?

BootsAndRoots · 06/04/2022 23:03

All this about transition is a diversion, the particular atheletes we are talking about have gone through male puberty, still have their penis and testicles, have not taken oestrogen, they have simply reduced their testosterone levels.

We weren't even having those discussions a few years ago when trans women were allowed to compete but had to have had SRS before being able to compete.

As soon as the requirement to lose your penis and testicles was dropped we've seen a lot of these athletes now wanting to compete. Very strange... Hmm

Fenlandia · 06/04/2022 21:32

This tweet by Conservatives for Women replying to Harwood twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1511794697055969280

"Now go and tidy your room" Grin

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/04/2022 21:23

@Crcohetmonster

Is this the same person who has recently threatened to defecate in public at her than use the toilets relevant to their sex?
Yes, it is Dirty Protests Are My Weapon of Choice and I expect a mass of sympathetic and valorising interviews from Good Morning Britain, Woman's Hour, PM, as well as The Guardian, The Independent etc.
Crcohetmonster · 06/04/2022 21:17

Is this the same person who has recently threatened to defecate in public at her than use the toilets relevant to their sex?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/04/2022 21:15

@Hoardasurass

Considering that certain mps and trans women claim that they have a cervix (some question about whether it's grown, surgically created or a bit of both) this doesn't surprise me
Even offered to show it, iirc. Possibly on TV even (I keep hoping that's hyperbolic rather than somebody's utter misinterpretation of what was said during a shared decision-making process with a surgeon).
Hoardasurass · 06/04/2022 21:08

Considering that certain mps and trans women claim that they have a cervix (some question about whether it's grown, surgically created or a bit of both) this doesn't surprise me

Rainbowshit · 06/04/2022 20:50

@bellinisurge

They need to keep this shit coming. Loud as they can. Doing the job for us.
Absolutely. Let people see how absolutely batshit this ideology is.
MangyInseam · 06/04/2022 20:44

Yes, I think some people do.

Not to be mean, but there are a lot of people who are not all that bright. Or are totally lacking in a knowledge base, of any kind, that might send up red flags when they hear bs.

Circumferences · 06/04/2022 20:23

@PaleBlueMoonlight

Yea I think I learned that it is puberty that sends out the signal to your body to stop growing, so if puberty is blocked you end up taller than you would have done. If anyone knows a good source that I could find further info on this, I'd be interested.
I believe that's only when they're given to boys.

When puberty blockers are given to girls they can result in stunted growth.

So you could end up with "transgirls" being taller than your average boy and "transboys" being shorter than your average girl...

Lovelyricepudding · 06/04/2022 20:12

People do believe it but they are wrong. Like about the earth being flat or unicorns having glittery shit.

FourChimneys about those unicorns...

WonderfulYou · 06/04/2022 20:11

In theory if someone took hormone replacement they would have more masculine/ feminine features such as muscle mass and bone structure as it’s our hormones especially in puberty that makes a women and man look so different - this is an argument I’ve read several times in response to Caitlin Jenner’s views of transgender people competing.

However you would have to be taking hormone replacement since a very early age and definitely before puberty and that (hopefully) doesn’t happen.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 06/04/2022 20:02

Yea I think I learned that it is puberty that sends out the signal to your body to stop growing, so if puberty is blocked you end up taller than you would have done. If anyone knows a good source that I could find further info on this, I'd be interested.

Georgeskitchen · 06/04/2022 20:01

@lunar1

Take one look at children who start in their competitive sports at a young age. The boys in my sons swim squad were significantly faster than the girls well before puberty is a consideration.

We are built differently, and trying to pin it just to puberty is a dangerous game, it's so much more than that.

This is true. Age about 8 I challenged my 8 year old male neighbour to a fight. He was smaller than me in stature but by god he was strong. He flattened me easily 🤣🤣
Riapia · 06/04/2022 19:32

The ignorant can be educated.

The insane can be medicated.

Nothing can be done for the stupid.

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MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 06/04/2022 19:30

I wonder how much that private education cost, because I would want a refund.

Be fair Pronouns they’re teachers not miracle workers. They probably earnt every penny teaching Tom.

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lunar1 · 06/04/2022 19:29

Take one look at children who start in their competitive sports at a young age. The boys in my sons swim squad were significantly faster than the girls well before puberty is a consideration.

We are built differently, and trying to pin it just to puberty is a dangerous game, it's so much more than that.

Crcohetmonster · 06/04/2022 19:26

Apparently transition can also make you shorter, reduce your shoe size and leave you unable to open jars.

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