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Boris Speaks!

458 replies

AndAsIfByMagic · 06/04/2022 12:23

Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

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OvaHere · 06/04/2022 17:15

@Sandra2010

Think it's really sad that so many people are going to vote for the future of this country based on this one news story. Just words out of a liar's mouth.
It's not 'just this one news story' there's been at least 6-7 years build up to this moment. Longer if you count the smaller number of feminists paying attention for a decade or more.
Charley50 · 06/04/2022 17:15

I think Johnson would have rather not said anything, preferring to watch from the sidelines while Labour destroyed itself. But the overreach of Stonewall, and the perfect storm of issues, meant he had to comment.

He's actually done Labour a favour, as they will have to face this issue head-on, and stop ignoring the rights of the majority of the fucking population. We might even be able to go back to voting Labour one day soon.

Georgeskitchen · 06/04/2022 17:14

Well done BoJo for speaking out. There will plenty of wobblers being thrown tonight

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 17:13

tim seems very sad that we won't vote for erasure. Very sad indeed.

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 17:11

He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights

Actually freckles I think he does care, not because his heart swells with compassion for women but because he knows this is a major issue for 51% of the population! Labour seems to lack any awareness of the grass roots anger about this - and moreover Johnson has now placed himself directly in the line of fierce fire to make a clear point he intends to back us.

Starmer is still scratching his balls trying to work out what a woman is, so forgive me, but out of the two I am backing the party that can at least recognise I am a woman!

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doublemonkey · 06/04/2022 17:10

And just a timely reminder for the people in this thread who think Labour cares. They fucking don't.

Tony Blair invented evidence that took us into a war in Iraq which killed over a million people.

Fairislefandango · 06/04/2022 17:09

He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in.

So, vote for the party which states quite clearly that they won't stand up for women's sex-based rights, rather than the party who is at least listening to what women want and says they will uphold women's rights. Gotcha.

Charley50 · 06/04/2022 17:09

[quote TimBoothseyes]The Tories may well know what a woman is...they still couldn't give a fat rats crack about keeping us safe though.

news.sky.com/story/ministers-criticised-after-mps-vote-against-making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-as-lords-amendment-defeated-12554448[/quote]
Some women don't want misogyny made a hate crime, as it can be used against women speaking out against males in women's spaces.

Sandra2010 · 06/04/2022 17:06

Think it's really sad that so many people are going to vote for the future of this country based on this one news story. Just words out of a liar's mouth.

LondonWolf · 06/04/2022 17:06

One of the usual TRAs who come on here to tell us off on the regular, recently said that GC feminists had never had a "big win" and that we'd ultimately lose. This and the clarification around single sex spaces from the EHRC this week feel like pretty big wins Grin

TimBoothseyes · 06/04/2022 17:06

The Tories may well know what a woman is...they still couldn't give a fat rats crack about keeping us safe though.

news.sky.com/story/ministers-criticised-after-mps-vote-against-making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-as-lords-amendment-defeated-12554448

doublemonkey · 06/04/2022 17:06

@FrecklesMalone

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.
Doubtful.

Most of the GC women I know and on here are/were hardcore Labour voters, party members and campaigners.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2022 17:05

@FrecklesMalone

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.
Do you prefer a party that blatantly states they will not listen to women about their rights?

Why is doing the opposite of what women want better to you

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 17:05

[quote Bolets]@LookMoreCloselier clearly, it's not a non-issue to the posters on this thread? Do you think likening women with serious concerns to 'gammons' is an effective tactic to bring them to your view?[/quote]
They never learn that they need to win people who have voted differently over...and think insults will do it. Even people I know in real life try this tactic. It fails every time.

nauticant · 06/04/2022 17:04

I certainly wouldn’t dream if calling you a name for the way which you choose to vote/not vote.

This is the message I'm getting from the thread and it reflects what I see real life. Maybe I'm biased but I get the mainstream of the right in the UK saying that you're free to vote for who you want, while in the mainstream of the left in the UK there seem to be plenty of people who say that if you don't vote for our tribe you are a bad person. I cannot express quite how off-putting this is for me as someone who used to lean left.

FrecklesMalone · 06/04/2022 17:03

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.

doublemonkey · 06/04/2022 17:03

@Charley50

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.
The BBC have misquoted him in the headline and the caption under the picture.

Time to scrap that TV licence .

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 17:00

@ChristinaXYZ

It is so good - they now need urgently to deal with annex B. I am single issue voter now and this, Boris's interview here, is what I want to see, and I want to see more of it. Great too that he separated the LGB and the T.
They also need to get 'trans identity ideology' out of schools. That may flow from the Cass Review. It seems like the Education Dept guidelines for England are not necessarily implemented as they were recently rewritten to say kids should not be told 'they are born in the wrong body'. He needs to stop all Government funding to Stonewall.
Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:59

I think it is the extreme position pf stonewall and mermaids etc Charley to so casually ignore the dangers and risks to others, including children.

It is as if no one outside the trans sphere counts at all.

They have lost so much support in the process, most of us were open and committed to the idea of trans having a dignified, meaningful lives. Now they are obliterating all support by being so extreme and by wilfully harming others. It will not end well for them. They have done untold damage to their own movement, its creditability and its acceptability. It is actually grossly unfair to the trans people that do not believe women should come to harm and simply want to lead a normal life. It is now a PR disaster that is only growing and snowballing as more and more women (and men) wake up to the danger and loss of rights.

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 16:57

@WelshyMaud

But I believe that what Boris said today is a rare example of absolute truth coming from him. Those were his own, genuine opinions.Boris knows exactly what a woman is

I agree. I also got the feeling that he just jumped the gun a bit in that interview and said a bit more than he intended. It didn't sound as scripted and 'party line' as many other interviews I've seen.

I also think this is what he genuinely believes as well. It is common sense. He did after all not implement self-id so he already had an inkling there were issues.
Signalbox · 06/04/2022 16:55

@Charley50

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030
Charley50 · 06/04/2022 16:54

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.

Charley50 · 06/04/2022 16:53

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Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:51

Angela, you would think as a working class girl like myself would see through this bullshit and call it out, she is exactly the type of gobby woman we were talking about upthread that would be calling this out.

I wonder what made her shut up and vote for her own annihilation instead? I genuinely intend to ask her if I can. Can you walk me through how you have arrived at such an extreme position. I might also ask her how much she was paid? As surely turkeys do not vote for Christmas, so this turkey seems to have an incentive no?