Boris Speaks!

Angela Rayner's response just reinforces Labour's belief and policies.

That said I agree with them and reluctantly would vote for them as I cannot vote labour or Lib Dem as o usually do this is a hill I will die on.

That’s the whole point.

To ensure that people who normally would NEVER endorse their policies on the NHS/poverty/immigration/civil liberties etc… will still vote for them :(:(

So we will be able to say that we have sex segregated sports (nothing about see seggregated spaces) but we won’t be able to go down in the street to demand more equality at work or to have a vigil or the express issues with the Met re racism/sexism etc…

Great idea in their part.

Turkey voting for Christmas.

I also think Boris believes what he is saying. I dont see him as someone who believes in Self ID regardless and giving drugs to children without parental consent.

Well he can still fuck off.

I dont think Starmer believes it. But there is something rotten in the heart of Labour that is driving this behaviour.

Most of us can see its bloody stupid and makes them look like twats. Would you vote for a party whose stance is that women will not have safe places, your young daughter WILL have to stand beside a boy transitioning maybe without his parents knowing.

Your Mum will be in hospital perhaps having broken her hip lying next to a Self ID'd man who might or might not be up to no good.

Let alone the rapists who want to go into women's safe spaces because they are now ID'ing as a women.

Its a pile of shite and Labour are spouting it. Surely they know, they monitor the media coverage or have they got Sarkar and Jones (two people who have the most odd ideas) guiding them.

I hope Labour get slaughtered in the next election over this. 51% of the population will care about this (not 1%, 51%!!). Yet they continue to spout rubbish.

Will be interesting how the news and media outlets pick this up. I hope they dont let it rest.

Yes, I do feel for the posters who apparently haven't yet engaged with the possibility (indeed, probability) that one day they may find themselves voting for someone they profoundly disagree with on many issues, because the alternative is worse. It's a shame when you lose your innocence and realise that our democracy is imperfect, and that most of a voter's job is working out where her priorities lie, and that sometimes a Bad Person is the best option.

On the question of pragmatism, and whether Johnson can be relied on, these arguments remind me of that old logic puzzle with the two guards, except this time the question is: one guard says he'll hit you, and he always tells the truth. The other one says he won't hit you, but he might be lying. Which path do you take?

I imagine that really is his opinion to be honest.

Most of the GC women I know and on here are/were hardcore Labour voters, party members and campaigners.

Same.

I was a Labour party member until GC women were told that our views were not welcome in the party. If you go and talk to women at Woman's Place meetings, most are left wing.

I have also emailed my mp Damien Green thanking him for his PM radio 4 interview and Boris for today. I mentioned schools and girls next.
He immediately replied thank you.

ActuallyfrecklesI think he does care, not because his heart swells with compassion for women but because he knows this is a major issue for 51% of the population!

^This. It's strange how many people seem to be of the opinion that taking notice of what voters want is a bad thing. Labour certainly seem to agree with them though.

I think they are only on the side of themselves, nobody else. The same applies to that New Zealand weight lifter. The private films they are watching is about them winning accolades while bit actors stand around them also eagerly clapping their hands.

‘It's on Starmer now to prove Labour can take a sensible direction in line with majority public sentiment. I have my doubts.’

He isn’t going to change course. He believes this stuff.

i don't care if he means it or not...he had the balls to say it...at last, someone in a position of power did!

Boris Johnson is a cock lodger at the heart of our democracy.

😂😂

That's so Mumsnet.

Keir Starmer? Get your ducks in a row.

All those people saying 'but surely x is more important'. You are entitled to think that. I don't. And I think that anyone who thinks this is even a little bit important shouldn't waste their energy trying to get me to change my mind - instead we should all try to get the other political parties to change their mind. If I had more than one party who showed basic common sense and courtesy on this issue, then I would be able to take other things into account. But at the moment I don't.

He's actually done Labour a favour, as they will have to face this issue head-on, and stop ignoring the rights of the majority of the fucking population. We might even be able to go back to voting Labour one day soon

I am sorry charley but that simply isn't going to happen. Labour are neck deep in this crap and whatever hold the activists have over Labour it will not be disappearing anytime soon. We will one day discover what is motivating Labour women MPs to support such harmful agendas but not any time soon. Labour are going to condemn the Conservatives for their stand, and take the route of more entrenchment is my guess. Doubling down on their position like the last drunk on the dancefloor.
You will have a long wait for their position to change and it won't be in time for this election for sure, it will involve a wholesale change at the top and an overhaul of their entire identity.

Boris Johnson is a cock lodger at the heart of our democracy. I neither trust nor believe him. But he's still doing a better job on this than Starmer.
WeAreNotFuckingStupid

It's on Starmer now to prove Labour can take a sensible direction in line with majority public sentiment. I have my doubts.

I have sent my (Conservative) MP an email asking her to thank the Prime Minister for this. We really need to show Conservatives that this matters.

I fully agree with those who say that the Prime Minister has MANY flaws/faults/skeletons/etc etc and I wish we had a more admirable person in number 10, HOWEVER, he is good at what he does (politics) and he will sense that there is political capital to be made out of being clear and straight talking on this.

We want debate. And we want the debate to be clear about who is being disadvantaged. Eg not 'should trans children get the treatment they want' but 'is it right to give children drugs that cause permanent damage to healthy bodies when that body doesn't need it'. Not 'should this transwoman be allowed to race' but 'should women's sport include males'.

"Think it's really sad that so many people are going to vote for the future of this country based on this one news story. Just words out of a liar's mouth."

There's the other news stories about it being ok to put rapists in women's prisons says Lisa Nandy. Or that women are Rights Hoarding Dinosaurs says David Lammy. Or it's not right to say only a woman has a cervix says Keir Starmer. Those weren't today. Or perhaps you didn't notice.

Keir Starmer won't stand up for one of his own - Rosie Duffield.

Why on earth would I believe he would stand up for any other woman?

He won't say what a woman is. I know he's lying when he says ridiculous things about cervixes and male bodied people changing sex to be women. He knows we know he's lying, but he doesn't care.

Ideology above Rosie, above women and children, and above truth. I will never vote for him.

There's no way back for him. Even if he does a complete volte-face on this how can he be trusted? He would have condemned us to Self-ID and Stonewall law made true if not stopped. Totally unforgivable.

[quote TimBoothseyes]The Tories may well know what a woman is...they still couldn't give a fat rats crack about keeping us safe though.

news.sky.com/story/ministers-criticised-after-mps-vote-against-making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-as-lords-amendment-defeated-12554448[/quote]
It's not quite as simplistic as that though is it? Many feminists were critical of making misogyny a hate crime.

"The simplistic idea of “misogyny as a hate crime” has a base appeal. A little like the doomed ban on conversion therapy, it sounds good in theory but in practice could make it harder to solve the problem it claims to address. Virtue-signalling on social media is annoying, but when it risks being written into law, it’s dangerous. Ultimately, tinkering with hate crime legislation will do nothing to stop men’s violence, and politicians who refuse to define “women” shouldn’t be trusted to stand-up for them."

thecritic.co.uk/making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-misses-the-point/

Maybe Lia and Thomas are secretly on our side. They couldn't have done a better job 😃