Boris Johnson on Sky

It's too late Zoe.

Can open. Worms everywhere.

And now we need to be instructed - yet again - by this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/06/labour-policy-gender-back-trans-rights-boris-johnson

The "it's an obscure issue " "it's not coming up on the doorstep " "you can't trust the Tories" nonsense is going the way of "No Debate ".
Better talk sense about it Starmer or Labour are toast.

This is a hill i will die on.

Not sure what their internal surveys tell them, but I still fear that most people are not that aware of the issues we discuss here and other issues might be more salient for the next elections.

I suspect that by the time the next election rolls around a fair few more people will be aware of the issues.

The Tory party are now clearly nailing their colours to the mast, and many of the issues are a political gold mine just waiting to be picked up. Expect these issues to be raised again and again. Because they are an easy win for the Tory party, and they make Labour look like lunatics.

Raynor is gob on a stick. Can you imagine her on the world stage but look at Biden or Trump for that matter. Of the 350 m people they chose those two.

I can’t see how Labour can u turn on this

I think Rayner has already doubled down anyway

I suspect Labour have swung so far the other way that at the next election someone will clip together all the statements Lammy, Starmer Nandy etc have said and then say 'would you vote for a party who says these sorts of things - and then changes their minds.

Even if Labour make a massive u turn its too late. They will look even more stupid than they do now on this issue and that is saying something!

I honestly think Labour are finished. They are so far up their own bottoms with their right on ideas they will get trashed in the next election - again.....

I wonder if we need a more central ground party with sensible ideas. The trans groups are seemingly running the Labour Party and I suspect Starmer doesnt believe a word that is coming out of his mouth but some of them do. Self ID will finish women. People will use it for their own selfish, sick ends.

Yeah, we know Johnson is trying to distract from NI increases. We're not fucking stupid. You can reverse that when you get into power. You ain't getting into power unless you shut this TRA shit down.

This is down to the overreach of TRAs. The reaction to not including trans in the conversion ban, and the refusal to attend the Safe to be Me conference was an own goal, as was the outrage at the ECHR's guidance, and trying to involve the UN in sanctioning them.
Really the only option was for BJ to show a spine and stand up to them. Who runs the country - lobby groups or the government?

How can anyone object to the proper scrutiny of laws? Therein lies KS problem, all he's done is cave in to lobby groups.

I obviously hope that we are witnessing an actual waking-up here about the rapidly reducing women's rights, but the pessimist in me (identity?) suspects that there will be no real change until after many similar rounds, possibly when the detransitioners start suing health care providers in very large numbers.

Wonder how much he’s being kicked to touch by his party members

The Tories are so bad, Starmer should have been laughing all the way to number 10 in the next general election.
Don't blame women for his failure to benefit from Tory failures, his insistence on actively not listening to women and vilifying any labour women raising this.

I feel this throws down the gauntlet for Keir Starmer to make a similar clear statement. It’s interesting that BJ is known for his waffle yet it’s the Labour politicians doing their best Dead Ringers-style impression of him in their answers and he comes out with a sincere (sounding), respectful yet unequivocal statement.

Brilliant, go Boris.

This issue is a hill I would die on, and he has my vote in the local elections in May.

Respect my sex if you want my X.

Voting for Starmer - there's no doubt. My worst fears of dismantling all women's rights and safeguarding will all come true.

I can’t believe I’m going to have to vote tory.

I'm frequently seeing blue tick names, sharing and posting stuff saying that all of this is coming from the far right, and evangelists, when in my case, that's absolutely not true.

I'm so annoyed that the Labour Party has refused to listen and understand what people really want on both occasions and basically refusing to state the the obvious. The Tories will come and sweep this opportunity and they will win the next election. Even if Starmer makes a u turn at this point, I will never trust them on this. I wish we really had a opposition party that really had a backbone to challenge the tories, instead, they are fiddling with their penises shooting themselves in the foot with all this nonsense.

If Starmer came out and said we must not sacrifice women's safety, dignity and fairness. Yes, there is more we can do to ensure safe third spaces for trans people but not at the expense of safe spaces for biological women. We will not allow the continued degradation of life changing biological events for women by calling them "birthing bodies, menstruators, cervix havers etc etc". We will protect women's sport. We will oppose opening roles designated for women to people who are not biological women.
We have work to do to make life more comfortable for trans people but that is separate to the work we need to do to make life better for women.

Then'll vote Labour again.

I think the Conservatives are being very politically savvy about this issue. They realise that (unfortunately) not everyone cares about women's rights - which largely up until this point the whole trans/women's penis thing has been painted as BUT nearly everyone cares about their children and safe-guarding issues.