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Helen Joyce "we should stop saying 'trans'"

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ChopinBoard · 06/04/2022 08:38

Helen Joyce is on absolutely top form, and seems to have zero shits left to give:

"We should stop saying 'trans', we should start saying 'male'".

I'm inclined to agree: our position is much easier to understand if we stop using language which obfuscates the problem.

Buy her book Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality, if you haven't already

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DalarnaHorses · 06/04/2022 08:53

I'm not sure. I feel its OK to call yourself a transwoman, as long as there is a clear boundary between transwomen and biological women and transwomen accept that.
Actually ditching the word trans is playing into TRAs hands anyway, as they want nothing more for transwomen to be seen as women and called women, with no dividing line.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/04/2022 08:44

Helen Joyce's position has firmed up so much even from when she initially published her book.

HJ is now echoing arguments on here from 2018 about this being a case of being pro-women and not anti anybody else.

donquixotedelamancha · 06/04/2022 08:43

I agree. I think we should keep the focus on women's rights and stop fighting on the ground they choose.

At the moment they are able to paint us as obsessed with trans people and to constantly divert the discussion by arguing semantics.

That said we will never fully get away from it untill the TWAW argument is defeated.