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Companies that nailed their colours to the mast early on in the gender debate

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Jessasamantha · 04/04/2022 15:42

38 degrees petition site prompted a memory the other day about them taking down a petition calling for a debate on the GRA, which was then followed by a petition calling out 38 degrees on Change. Found it here

www.change.org/p/38-degrees-38-degrees-stop-silencing-and-censoring-women

Which got me thinking about all of the other companies who made it very clear they were not on the side of women early on in the debate, who perhaps may be reconsidering their misogyny and hoping that we might have forgotten. I have some vague memory of Co-op in the early days refusing to provide banking services to one of the first grass roots women's groups, can anyone confirm? Also Ocado, who sided with Primesight after they took down Kellie-Jay Keen's adult human female advert?

Any others from the early years?

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AnybodyAnywhere · 06/04/2022 08:09

Proctor & Gamble

It’s hard to avoid them because they make so many things but I do my best.

UnicornsAreSparklyPhonies · 06/04/2022 07:20

@Cookingutensil

Please keep this going, and yes, what companies should we be rewarding with our custom? I have the spending power of six individuals in my hands - where to go?
Not quite sure where to go - but you can buy plenty of birds eye food.
KittenKong · 06/04/2022 07:17

Anyone mention Dentons (like a few of the big law firms - which was the one that was trying to implement gender neutral language on its documents?)

Also some of the large construction companies have been flying the rainbow flag (yfronts remix) on their sites and added them to their social media logos. Not always their websites (like Naked wines did) so maybe it’s just for show?

nepeta · 06/04/2022 01:55

@PamDenick

The fact that we couldn't even debate was very very clever.
That is truly outrageous. One is a bigot for wanting to have a conversation about the rate at which our rights are being mined for other groups!

Good for peaking people, though, that command of NODEBATE.

Cookingutensil · 05/04/2022 23:30

Please keep this going, and yes, what companies should we be rewarding with our custom? I have the spending power of six individuals in my hands - where to go?

Tiphaine · 05/04/2022 22:36

Sorry, posted by mistake.

That ^^ remark was made in relation to this video linked by Emma Hilton https://twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1498330814400114694?s=21

Tiphaine · 05/04/2022 22:34

@nepeta

Amnesty International has recently erased the word for biologically female people (w**n). Not sure how long ago they were taken over.

ACLU in the US is completely captured. Once again, not sure how long ago this happened, but supposedly they won't even take court challenges from what they call 'cis' women. In the past they accepted challenges from all sides of the political aisle if civil liberties appeared to have been violated.

One of their legal experts, a trans man, did tweet on the International Men's Day a couple of years ago about honouring menstruating men. That peaked quite a few men I know.

Hearing her shock when the ACLU told her "We will never support a cis woman against a woman".

PamDenick · 05/04/2022 21:12

And dangerous.

PamDenick · 05/04/2022 21:12

The fact that we couldn't even debate was very very clever.

EdithStourton · 05/04/2022 21:11

Can we send all the Lush products to Sizewell to power the reactors? Or would the resultant waste be even more radioactive than what is produced there already?

PamDenick · 05/04/2022 21:11

What is especially important is the No Debate.

That was outrageous (and very clever of Stonewall).

PamDenick · 05/04/2022 21:11

I think it's important.

PamDenick · 05/04/2022 21:10

I'm keeping posting on this.

Justanotherobserver · 05/04/2022 17:21

The last time I ever went into Lush was around 2003. I wanted to try some Sandalwood soap and was offered a sample for a quick go. They also offered me a bowl of filthy water to rinse with that looked exactly like the one in that disgusting morning wash scene in 'The 13th Warrior'. I'd watched the film a couple of nights before and this bowl of water could have been the same one - there were gobs of something unnameable floating on the surface and it looked like any number of people had spat phlegm and blown snot into it. Like this:

Never passed the threshold of a Lush again.

PigeonLittle · 05/04/2022 16:58

I boycott Lush and Body Shop.

Centre Parcs response to a trans woman using female changing rooms is what peaked me.

Will be a long time till I donate money to Amnesty International again.

FrancescaContini · 05/04/2022 16:46

@KittenKong

HSBC have pronoun badges don’t they ?
🤦‍♀️

Excellent thread. I haven’t been inside a BS for ages, and Lush has always made me feel sick. Amnesty international - shameful.

FrancescaContini · 05/04/2022 16:44

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Oreo nailed their colours to the mast of the good ship Totally Pointless Statements in February 2021 with the classic hit single: Trans people exist.

twitter.com/Oreo/status/1365038991469281280?t=J3P9M-L1vCl5DC0gjDQFxA&s=19

I mean, honestly. Is there anyone out there, at all, who thinks Caitlyn Jenner, Lauren Cox, Rachel Levine, Paris Lees, India Willoughby, Rachel McKinnon and Laurel Hubbard don't exist? Do they think we're under the impression that they're actually just holographic projections? Or computer-generated imagery, like the amazing tiger in the film Life of Pi?

It would have been more useful if Oreo had taken the time to reassure us all that Australia exists; there actually are people out there who think there is no such continent and that it's all a massive conspiracy.

To be honest, I'd have found it less irritating if they had outright said that they thought women shouldn't ever have the right to meet without the presence of males. It would have at least indicated they knew what the debate was about.

Grin Agree. Meaningless statement.
DomesticatedZombie · 05/04/2022 16:41

This Liberty

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/

Not the fabric designers.

DomesticatedZombie · 05/04/2022 16:40

Oh, Liberty were captured long ago. I gave up my membership over it, wrote and told them why, and got a really fucking irritating, sneery, patronising response.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2022 16:27

Topshop no longer exists does it?

Apparently not. I did not know this when I posted.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/04/2022 15:48

@Broadshoulders

Turning this on it’s head, I’d be really interested in any pro-adult human female companies I can make more of an effort to support, anyone have a list?
Didn't Findus do good work or did I imagine that?

And remember a lot of these companies are international and will be very slow to change.

nepeta · 05/04/2022 15:34

Amnesty International has recently erased the word for biologically female people (w**n). Not sure how long ago they were taken over.

ACLU in the US is completely captured. Once again, not sure how long ago this happened, but supposedly they won't even take court challenges from what they call 'cis' women. In the past they accepted challenges from all sides of the political aisle if civil liberties appeared to have been violated.

One of their legal experts, a trans man, did tweet on the International Men's Day a couple of years ago about honouring menstruating men. That peaked quite a few men I know.

MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 05/04/2022 15:20

I don’t know about overt support for women, but when hassled didn’t a potato company say they were happy to advertise on Mumsnet?