Ooh Bridget Phillipson has defined ‘woman’

I think OP is very mistaken to jump for joy over this.

Labour have realised that “What’s a woman?” “Er, I dunno, I’m not going to get drawn into that” is going down like a cup of cold sick.

Perhaps they have read this - www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-is-falling-into-the-tim-farron-trap-on-sex-and-gender

So they are going to change the language so it seems like they have taken a reasonable position when they have not.

Stella Creasy on Politics Live last week said “I’m very clear a woman is an adult female – but some people are born female and some people become female”.

So the position is now this: " women are adult human females, Biology Matters " - thus pleasing most people - but (this now in a very quiet whisper) "some females are males and some males are females, and you can change between male and female as you go along."

The ideology remains the same, the language has just changed.

Unless people are careful they will get away with it. They need to be pressed again and again.

True, but at least they are feeling the need to pretend to care, which is progress of a sort.

Can you trust anything that Labour says though? As far as I'm concerned, it's a resounding "No!"

@Whooshaagh

You are wrong about transmen not having a sense of entitlement.They feel quite entitled to being in gay spaces with the expectation of having sex with gay men.Watch the very entertaining Mr Menno videos or visit [email protected] to get a sense how the entitled behaviour of TMs is alienating and angering gay men

I think people get confused by the terms transwoman and transman. To me their meanings should be the other way around

I agree

Lots of people would say twaw from a be kind and what harm does it do pov. But once you point out that it means having rapists in a women's prison purely on the grounds that they declared themselves to be trans, or the other threats that self ID pose, then they see it differently.
Most people unfamiliar with this still think of re as people who have had full surgery, not people who are fully intact males

Greycarpet. he answered a letter to his advise column in the Saturday Telegraph affirming his position TWAW cant read that column anymore

I think there are very many people who appear to support it who don't actually believe it it a second.

but Madeley is of the opinion that
TWAW, im amazed he didnt grill her further

Perhaps the question we need to start asking too is "When women say they need single sex spaces, what do you think they mean by that?"

The fluff of 'female people need and should have single sex spaces and male people should be able to wander into those female people's spaces at will' is ridiculous. It relied on people not unpicking it and thinking. It's 2019 thinking. We're all a lot older and a hell of a lot more cynical now, and its time to call all the bluffs.

So we're on to 'biological females and some males who want to be perceived as'.

Great.

Now lets talk about the times and places where those biological males need to respect that those biological females have the right to sex based needs and spaces that are female only.

But does that mean they can just change it and we’ll all vote for them? They believe TWAW.

I bet half of them don't believe it. They just don't want to examine the question too closely. They think it's a niche issue and/or don't want to upset their trans niece.

Interesting that she used to run a women's refuge: www.refugeewomen.co.uk/i-will-do-all-i-can-to-bring-about-change/

Yes there are far too many Labour MPs and hangers on who still appear to hate women, particularly working class women and put across the view that we are stupid and narrow minded for being concerned about the impact on our rights and legal protections

They hate the working class generally. I'm middle class, but my DF's family were working class, and I see the current Labour Party sneering at people like them every day - except when they need their votes, when they pretend to care for a couple of weeks.

Working class people don't have the right views, so they must be educated or ignored. I wasn't the least surprised about the Brexit vote, though I'm an ardent Remainer (as were my older relatives) - a lot of it wasn't actually about Brexit, it was pushback against being patronised and ignored.

Males in women's sport and the erasure of 'woman' and 'mother' have woken a lot of voters up to what is going on. And they don't like it.

Blimey a woman Labour MP with more balls than Starmer.

I, for one, am not buying it. As has been said it's telling just before the elections.

I think they are now being more careful with how they answer the inevitable question as they've seen just how ridiculous they look with the 'umming' and 'erring'.

They have practiced their answer for effect.

They are over-privileged, arrogant, sneery ideologues that are now all pissed off because they can't easily ride the backs of the working class to power anymore.

Recognised as a trans woman is what you actually need her to say for any of this to make sense. There are women, adult human females and trans women, adult human males who wish to dress and live as a woman would but trans women are not, never will be in any way women.

We should just use our own slogan.

TRANS WOMEN ARE TRANS WOMEN.

Well it's a better answer than many in labour would give but in truth it's not right is it, you don't actually have to go through any legal process now, men just have to say they're a woman to apparently become one.

If they are like this over self-id legislation, categorically refusing to accept or admit there were serious implications for the day to day lives of the public, then what else do they support, or will they support in the future, that they know will be harmful or is just a downright lie?

I'll be fair by saying that the Conservatives have shown they cannot necessarily be trusted, but Labour and the LibDems have persecuted people over this issue -- and that is the difference.

Government has extraordinary power over us all. It recently mandated a lockdown of the entire country. It can send troops to foreign conflicts. It can impose a draft. It could, theoretically, lift all price caps and cripple us with utility bills. It could raise income tax on average earners to ridiculous levels, and get rid of the personal allowance.

Government can grind us all under its heel.

And the only thing stopping them doing things like this, if they showed the kind of bull-headedness #nodebate that Labour has over the self-id issue, would be out-and-out insurrection.

All in all, maybe we should be thankful for what has happened -- because it has shown us just who these people are now. Huge numbers of elected representatives just need to go. It is not just that they are not fit to hold their positions; they are downright dangerous.

I think the wording Bridget Phillipson used, ie ‘to be recognised as a woman’ is understandable. She is using language from the GRC. What she actually meant about this comment is another thing.

Did she say anything else?

I had a quick google of her and came across this article she wrote in Grazia. graziadaily.co.uk/life/in-the-news/women-let-down-pandemic-shecession/. Lots of talk about women. There was something in the same vein, same sort of vocab but shorter in the independent.

A 3 year old job ad for her misquotes the Equality Act. Idk what influence she had on that or if this is / was the party line. www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=73753

According to the Gay Times, she always votes in favour of LGBTQ legislation. www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/what-has-sir-keir-starmers-shadow-cabinet-said-on-lgbtq-rights/. Idk what this means in reality as LGB and TQ can have competing needs.

She this ad ‘put women back in their place’ and ‘how out of touch can the government be’ of this withdrawn terribly sexist government ad. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55844367

It does seem like a watch this space moment. If I were cynical, I’d say that labour is using any labour women not on record for absolute clangers, to say what sounds like the right thing, to soften up the female electorate.

Yes there are far too many Labour MPs and hangers on who still appear to hate women, particularly working class women and put across the view that we are stupid and narrow minded for being concerned about the impact on our rights and legal protections. These people need to be gone and some humble pie needs to be consumed by Labour before I would consider voting for them again. (Ex member of many many years and I have never voted for anyone else. Will be spoiling ballot in May).

Yes, it’s time they realised it’s the HoC, not the sixth form common room. If Dawn Butler is their idea of the best person they can pick to make decisions for other people, they need to start again basically.

While they have MPs who will go on tv and say in all seriousness that babies are born without a sex, the Labour Party are too stupid to be ruling anyone. And given who we currently have in charge that's saying something