Ahem.... FWR headlines in the Mail

Think of this campaign as a traditional bell curve from early adopters to laggards. We know who the laggards are and that they won't ever admit that women have rights.

Many women on these boards were early adopters who were joined by the early majority when they saw what was happening. Credit to journalists like Janice Turner for raising awareness and to JKR who made a few thousand more people pause for thought as well as the clear sighted Mumsnetters.

I believe we are now close at the top of the bell curve, with most of the population believing that it is not possible to change sex, but not necessarily understanding the safeguarding aspects or concerned about the issues for women. It is a critical time to spread awareness to those who are beginning to bend to convert them to the late majority and this is where we need the daily mail and the Sun to help people join the dots.

Even if the Guardian suddenly saw the light, they don't influence enough of the population. So personally I'm thrilled that the Mail are pushing it. Not because I agree with everything that they do, but because of their reach and their influence.

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I detest the Daily Mail so so much. Genuinely. I once used to have the Independent delivered and they one day put the Daily Mail through my letter box. I took it, marched round and told them in no unconditional terms why posting the Daily Mail instead of the Independent is an insult [to humanity] and to never ever do it again.

Yet here we are in upside down world.

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You get texts from Datun???? Oh my stars... faints dramatically in envy

Oh I know. I’m extremely privileged.

Not just do I get texts from Datun but TinselAngel once gave me her autograph.

The Guardian is a fucking joke of a paper - hates women, especially British women, and seems to publish reams of 'opinion' and 'analysis' from out-and-out misogynists.

I am at the same time pleased to see the Daily Mail making some effort to hold all the Parties to account on the issue of women's rights being eroded, including the Conservatives who have been in charge for 12 years. To me, this is primarily a Tory shitshow because they have been in government throughout The Rise And Rise Of Stonewall.

It's about time the right turned on the right over this fucking mess.

Labour have not earned my sympathy nor my vote. My contempt, yes. They should have been all over the Tory Government on this, defending women as a sex class. Stupid, stupid fools.

My re-post...my Mum was upset about a sanpro story which said it was for "people". She said "they mean teenage girls!"

My DH was upset about unfairness in sports. And that unfairness is obvious even in the outlets that apparently are "better" than the Saintly Graun.

People I know are getting upset and annoyed at the obfuscation of language and the unfairness of the way things are developing. People who otherwise would consider this not something that takes up much headspace.

Daily Mail is the new Quibbler!

For all those moaning that this is all coming through the Daily Mail, what would be your newspaper of choice? Because all the other news outlets have shat on women from a great height, so I don't get who is any better?

When it’s a women’s rights issue and is 51% so half the population not a tiny minority

I know people don’t get it when they post about trans issues

The relatively tiny issue of transmen feeling alienated by references to their female biology will hopefully be dealt with sensitively and proportionately.

If people are happier with some papers eg The Guardian or other (?) it won’t reach across the spectrum re readers

Not that the Guardian will change and lead on this for women

I’m a Labour voter all my life. I’m happy the Mail has picked this up story up again to reboot it with some quotes. I was delighted that they did the front page yesterday with the three campaigners on. The Mail are the most popular UK paper. They must have had a hell of lot of clicks on that original piece to bother doing this quick follow up piece. That’s something to celebrate.

Let’s not forget that this is a campaign. All people, however they vote, need to know that an unprecedented threat to women’s rights is going on. This is an all-women’s, cross-political-party issue. It’s also about letting men know the situation. I do agree that if it remains party-politicised, then we’re not going to get anywhere. There’s a Tory majority now but how long that will last, who knows? And what have the Tory government actually done for us anyway? Nothing. Kicked the GRA reform stuff into the future for now.

Right now individual women are desperately crowdfunding for legal cases to try to shore up the law for women and right wrongs to women that have all happened under the Tories. The Conservatives been in power since 2010, effectively.

This whole shit show has been under their watch. A government who gave a shit about women would not have let this happen. Yes Labour, Lib Dem’s, Greens and the other parties have been terrible too. We need to hold them all to account in different ways.

As we have discussed at length on other threads, there is no major political party who are actually solid on this issue. Including the Conservatives who are in government with a big majority.

We have had no solid commitments or guarantees of support for biological reality and anti-sexist action from any party.

We have a mountain to climb.

If the Mail achieves greater awareness among right-leaning women of this campaign then that’s an excellent thing.

It’s incredibly disappointing that the left wing press would rather validate male egos than listen to the completely valid safety, privacy and dignity concerns affecting 51% of the population, (plus the evidenced harms this is inflicting on women around their employment, single-sex medical care and the justice system - we could go on) but we are where we are with all of that, unfortunately.

Right now the urgency of this message is not reaching a huge section of society that don’t read the Daily Mail. That’s a problem that this campaign needs to tackle, not feeling pissed off that the Mail has picked up on it. This weekend’s coverage is excellent to have.

Shall all the left-leaning women who are sick of the Guardian ignoring this issue, write a letter to the Ed to tell them that, for publication? Maybe the three campaigning orgs could draft it and we could all sign it? Ditto the Independent? Newspapers don’t tend to ignore stories of proven huge reader interest for very long, so today could be a really good day to do this..

I'm happy for the sunlight. I never realised that the Daily Mail was 'conservative', until I read it during my radicalisation, so it doesn't affect my ability to be happy that a newspaper is reporting this.

It does irk me that they write paragraphs like this:
"The campaign, which urges prospective councillors to reveal their stance on transgender issues before ballots are cast, comes after a number of senior Labour figures struggled to answer questions on the topic."

We are not asking people to believe or not believe, support or not support transgender issues we are asking that the existing rights of women are upheld and that sex matters. There is a conflict of rights but many people think they can't admit that as they will be seen as transphobic.
Men who say they are women do not belong in women's sports, prisons, refuges, girl guides etc.
The sooner we get rid of the mantra transwomen are women this will be better for all.

This comment made me laugh:

"I'm all for protecting our gender, but I can't stand Mumsnet, worst bunch of witches."

Yup, that's us!

That is excellent news @Nobbynobbsknob .

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Hope they pick up about the Sharon Davies tweet about the TA tweeting the female cyclist sponsors.

Where would people prefer this type of article? Ie which paper

I’m ok with DM as such a mainstream paper read by many,

There’s nothing left wing about the me-me-me gender identity movement. God knows why so many on the Left have fallen for its self-centred misogynistic fantasies. (Social Dems and Communists honourably excepted.)

And, as a socialist, I now have a lot more respect for the Mail and the Times, than for the Guardian, because on this important issue the Mail and Times are a hell of a lot more honest.