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Nicole Cooke speaks out

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LittleWhingingWoman · 03/04/2022 00:27

Olympic champ NICOLE COOKE - whose hero is a trans woman - speaks out https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10680099/Olympic-gold-medallist-NICOLE-COOKE-hero-trans-woman-bravely-speaks-out.html?ito=nativesharee_article-top

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KohlaParasaurus · 03/04/2022 07:26

@BellsaRinging

I want to ask...if a female athlete were to take testosterone to increase hers to the max level allowed for trans women (I.e. the level to which a trans athlete has to reduce to before being admitted to the women's competition) would that be acceptable? And if not why not?
No, she would be banned and vilified for doping. And also, no amount of testosterone could give an adult female athlete a physical advantage over other women that comes close to those of someone who has gone through male puberty.
IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 03/04/2022 07:22

Thanks for sharing this. Really well balanced argument. I followed Nicole Cooke’s career for years, until she retired. I saw her in the street once, and said hello. She was astounded to be recognised!!

JellySaurus · 03/04/2022 07:19

Of course not. That would be doping.

The ideology is inconsistent and the Be Kind response to it is inconsistent.

AuntyFungal · 03/04/2022 07:18

BellsaRinging

No. If a natal women were to take T to bring their level to the current TW level, this would…

  • be considered doping in sport & risk a ban.
  • health & fertility issues
  • T is not the end all for male performance. Puberty and Y chromosome also affect performance.
BellsaRinging · 03/04/2022 07:09

I want to ask...if a female athlete were to take testosterone to increase hers to the max level allowed for trans women (I.e. the level to which a trans athlete has to reduce to before being admitted to the women's competition) would that be acceptable? And if not why not?

SallyLockheart · 03/04/2022 07:08

Correction - Dan Hodges, not Dan Wootton.

SallyLockheart · 03/04/2022 07:02

Agree, the Mail has got the issue in its sights now - articles on impact on women and girls grassroots sports, possible boycott by female cyclists, Dan Wootten dissecting Starmers waffle etc. I don’t care if they are fully on board with it or not, they are publishing article after article highlighting the need to support women’s rights.

KohlaParasaurus · 03/04/2022 07:00

Another strong voice. Another nail in the coffin of the myth that elite sportswomen are delighted and honoured to include self-selected males in their teams and races and the rest of us should butt out because we don't know what we're talking about. Thank you, Nicole.

Tabasco007 · 03/04/2022 06:59

Great article, thanks for sharing.

ResisterRex · 03/04/2022 06:36

That's a fantastic article, and the Mail carries a few of them today so pop your shades on cos sunlight abounds.

Cooke says:

Cooke added: 'Since in the UK, virtually all Olympic sports are publicly funded, politicians need to exercise their power over UK Sport to solve this problem quickly and let the UK take an international lead.'

Let's see if our politicians are up to it. We know Stella "baby on my lap bekiiiind" Creasy declared this one for scientists, not MPs this week. Well I respectfully disagree.

Save women's sports - today.

SallyLockheart · 03/04/2022 06:22

Of course it’s unlikely there will be the fame and money in a separate trans section

SallyLockheart · 03/04/2022 06:20

Well done Nicole. I particularly liked her questioning the motive of trans athletes - if they want to win at any cost , they are just like the performance enhancing drug takers, cheating in effect. Otherwise the separate categories for trans - yeah!

JustSpeculation · 03/04/2022 04:36

Ha! I remember watching Cooke win the Beijing road race and thinking "My God, Britain has actually won something!".

If anyone is a clear example of how badly women in cycling have been treated, it's Cooke.