Times article - Emily Bridges not a threat to women's sport

A bit ironic that Pippa is talking about unfairness, when they admitted to doping with testosterone when they were competing as Robert Millar in races like the Tour de France. Cheating obviously ok in order to win.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/philippa-york-interview-doping-it-was-cheating-and-all-of-us-were-doing-it-8jbmqp92m

I agree OP and I remember posting similar years ago - sport will be the tipping point for so many people. Sadly women confined in prison cells with male sex offenders hasn’t had the same effect, probably because people don’t identify with them. But sport…well it’s close to home, literally, and fairness lies at the heart of sport.

What I've noticed is a lot of people new to the debate, notably fathers with daughters, waking up and joining in. As a nation, we may live and let live with regard to how people identify and what they do, but we really don't like cheating, particularly in sport. I think this will be seen retrospectively as the turning point in the whole fiasco.

Comments are - all but maybe one - critical of the article

Here are some:

“ No. Just no. You are such a small, but noisy, minority but you live in a bubble and think this is a reasonable argument.

The vast majority do not.

XX and XY . End of debate”

“ Well I haven’t made it past the first few paragraphs without seeing such a massive flaw.
This isn’t about empathy. It’s about biology and facts.
DNA plays a vital role. So to suggest it has reduced the argument is ridiculous.
Developing as a male and then suppressing a little bit of testosterone is not “finding womanhood a different way”. It is literally getting all the male development advantages and taking that into a female sports competition.

I see you’ve done the typical TRA thing of victimhood over reality. The arguments that get me down usually come from your side. How lesbians are disgusting for not wanting to sleep with trans women with male genitalia for a start.

But we get to sport. Where a male bodied athlete with a slight reduction in testosterone can go from 454th rank in the male category to absolutely smashing the womens category. Yes. Male athletes are taking womens places. Look at Laurie Hubbard. Not stunning and brave. Quite literally a male advantaged body beating a female.
Which really is the crux of this. Sport is segregated by sex. Not gender identity.
You really have fallen for the propaganda”

“ What an appalling article. It is simply weong for biological males to compete in the female protected sports category.
What is difficult about accepting females are biological and not simply how some blokes feel they are in their imagination.
Rather than have trans-activists write on this issue, why not engage qualified sports scientists e.g. Ross Tucker or developmental biologists e.g. Emma Hilton.
Biological males competing in woman's sport is in my view cheating.”

That should give you an idea.

It's sad we can no longer see the comments do share some here c&p if you get a chance - they cheer me in an otherwise depressing world!

I don’t understand how solely testosterone is the measurement utilised.

The man posing as a woman, Pippa York, is speaking from his a-hole. That’s about as much as I can be bothered to muster is response to his witterings.

Isn't pippa in training to compete in women's cycling competitions.

I think it's great that articles full of emotive drivel like this get published. As always it highlights the lack of grounded research - much noticed by the commentators below. Crack on Pippa York - you're unintentionally doing our work for us.

Sorry I meant mum.

Is Pippa york Emily’s dad?

What a load of self deluded rubbish.

Maybe the times do it on purpose. They can’t be accused of bias because they are putting up different views, but they are selective about which articles they use. So one side is rational, factual and sensible and the other side waffles and makes shit up.

transitioning to female

Then Emily is a miraculous anomaly.

I'm glad they are presenting different views. Then everyone can read and make up their own minds. And frankly the more people get to hear the tra arguments the better

I agree. Have you seen the comments.

I can never see the comments on Times articles but I like the fact that they point out at the end of the article who Pippa York is.
"Pippa York, riding as Robert Millar, was an elite professional cyclist for 16 seasons and completed her transition in 2003. She sits on GB Cycling’s diversity and inclusion advisory group"

The poor articles put up as "balance" just make Janice's and Lucy's and all the other excellent writers' work look even better.

You can’t ‘reduce someone to their DNA’. What else are we?

Emily isn’t just reducing testosterone to meet sporting criteria — she’s transitioning to female

Not possible

I appreciate The Times want to provide balance

But is this the best they could do

Pippa York . No bias there then

The times editorial line is flip flopping on this a lot.

For every rational realistic article about the devastating affect of TW in women's sport, you get garbage like this.

It's like a paper writing about climate change but for every article they counter it with an article full of lies claiming climate change is some sort of conspiracy....

When will enough be enough?