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Owen Jones is very cross.

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 02/04/2022 08:03

For the many MNers who are blocked, he said:

“Given the media is taking up questions lifted from the increasingly radicalised and hateful cesspit of anti-trans activists on Twitter, we're presumably not far from broadcast interviewers asking gay men "So would you perform cunnilingus??? WOULD YOU THOUGH????"

I don’t think he’s replied yet to all the people telling him that refusing to have sex with vagina-owning transmen makes him transphobic. Come to think of it, Stonewall called us lesbians sexual racists for not being into transwomen so…

twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1509847680515723267?s=21&t=4fuQtNTleEWDjWoxwr8Cgw

Owen Jones is very cross.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 09:05

He's such an odd, self-important little man.

Datun · 02/04/2022 09:04

Having a go at gender critical feminists and calling them anti-trans-activists, whilst totally agreeing with their argument, is a weird take, it has to be said.

VelvetChairGirl · 02/04/2022 09:04

@Thelikelylass

Looking at the responses to THAT question, I am gratified to see that this is a bit of an own goal for him. One day he will look back and really regret his inane rants.
no he wont he's always been an expert in digging holes for himself and refusing to look up, he aint going to change the habit of a lifetime, he will just look more and more like a joke to people and he probably wont ever understand why, he doesnt have the gray matter to channel to the amount of self reflection needed for him to understand anything beyond his own nose.
Manicsfan · 02/04/2022 09:04

It's a shame Owen has blocked so many women. Maybe they could have educated him out of his bigotry.
Oh sorry, that only applies to lesbians....

Abhannmor · 02/04/2022 09:03

@QuebecBagnet

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?
That's it in a nutshell @QuebecBagnet. Any question that might upset Owen Jones is seemingly transphobic now. He is so immature and spoilt.
Helleofabore · 02/04/2022 08:58

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?

So far what I have seen (2015 onwards) is:

  1. He won't answer this
  1. He clutches his pearls over it and implies it's homophobic in the extreme to ask a gay man this without actually saying so
  1. He won't stick up for lesbians or say he agrees that they should be able to reject MTF trans people with penises

He seems to think that's a consistent position.

It IS consistent!!! Consistently applied each time.
VelvetChairGirl · 02/04/2022 08:58

@QuebecBagnet

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?
ask him that right now on twitter, if your on it.
tabbycatstripy · 02/04/2022 08:56

‘To be fair, has he actually done this?’

No, but he hasn’t defended lesbians when they say this coercive pressure has been placed on them.

He also seems to think it’s “tawdry” for people (including lesbians) to say “actually men do have penises”.

But he’s allowed to talk about female sex organs...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 08:55

Sorry I'm completely agreeing with your summary, Necessary, if not clear!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 08:54

I think he just keeps changing the subject and not outright denying that this happens, or endorsing it or opposing it, but rather just screeching about transphobia and scaremongering.

No he hasn't. He's very careful not to say anything definite.

Somanysocks · 02/04/2022 08:54

LOJ is more of a spoon really.

Thelikelylass · 02/04/2022 08:52

Looking at the responses to THAT question, I am gratified to see that this is a bit of an own goal for him. One day he will look back and really regret his inane rants.

NecessaryScene · 02/04/2022 08:52

What goes on in his brain when he can tweet that yet call lesbians transphobic for not accepting dick?!

To be fair, has he actually done this?

I think he just keeps changing the subject and not outright denying that this happens, or endorsing it or opposing it, but rather just screeching about transphobia and scaremongering.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 08:52

To be fair, rank hypocrisy probably is his consistent position.

Good point.

Datun · 02/04/2022 08:51

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?

So far what I have seen (2015 onwards) is:

  1. He won't answer this
  1. He clutches his pearls over it and implies it's homophobic in the extreme to ask a gay man this without actually saying so
  1. He won't stick up for lesbians or say he agrees that they should be able to reject MTF trans people with penises

He seems to think that's a consistent position.

To be fair, rank hypocrisy probably is his consistent position.
Datun · 02/04/2022 08:50

Owen Jones 🌹
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The whole point of the “what is a woman? What is a man?” line of questioning is to get politicians to say trans women aren’t women and trans men aren’t men.

That is the whole point of this tawdry exercise. Anyone pretending otherwise is terminally disingenuous.

Who's pretending otherwise??

What a dingbat.

Crikey. He really doesn't get it, does he. Yes, the purpose of asking politicians to define what a man or a woman is, is to get...a definition of what a man and a woman is.

What does he think we're doing???

SolasAnla · 02/04/2022 08:46

Ha haha hahaha

All the transphobic penis people with the outrage

LizzieSiddal · 02/04/2022 08:45

What goes on in his brain when he can tweet that yet call lesbians transphobic for not accepting dick?!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 08:44

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?

So far what I have seen (2015 onwards) is:

  1. He won't answer this
  1. He clutches his pearls over it and implies it's homophobic in the extreme to ask a gay man this without actually saying so
  1. He won't stick up for lesbians or say he agrees that they should be able to reject MTF trans people with penises

He seems to think that's a consistent position.

KohlaParasaurus · 02/04/2022 08:34

Oh, dear. You couldn't make it up.

QuebecBagnet · 02/04/2022 08:34

Yes it’s always the women who are hounded and blamed. This has always been about misogyny. Always.

Helleofabore · 02/04/2022 08:32

LOJ just constantly proves he is not very clever.

He also proves he is a shock jock over and over. It is all for the clicks.

FromOurHatsToOurFeet · 02/04/2022 08:32

@QuebecBagnet

I agree it’s a valid question. If I as a biological female decided to identify as a man would he have sex with me and my male identifying vagina. Or is he a transphobe?
It's another irregular verb:

I'm a transphobe
You're a transphobe
He's a gay man.

dworky · 02/04/2022 08:31

He's never going to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

Dyrne · 02/04/2022 08:30

I have noticed it’s much more acceptable for gay men to declare they’d never date trans men; than it ever has been for lesbians to say they’d never date a trans woman.

Now if we all think very hard I’m sure we could come up with a reason why that might be…