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Owen Jones is very cross.

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 02/04/2022 08:03

For the many MNers who are blocked, he said:

“Given the media is taking up questions lifted from the increasingly radicalised and hateful cesspit of anti-trans activists on Twitter, we're presumably not far from broadcast interviewers asking gay men "So would you perform cunnilingus??? WOULD YOU THOUGH????"

I don’t think he’s replied yet to all the people telling him that refusing to have sex with vagina-owning transmen makes him transphobic. Come to think of it, Stonewall called us lesbians sexual racists for not being into transwomen so…

twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1509847680515723267?s=21&t=4fuQtNTleEWDjWoxwr8Cgw

Owen Jones is very cross.
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PenguindreamsofDraco · 02/04/2022 10:04

It's quite a useful touchstone for any opinion, I find.
Would it make LOJ cross? If so, crack on.

Artichokeleaves · 02/04/2022 10:03

Oh bless his little heart.

(Yet) another clear demo of what lies at the heart of this enthusiasm for identitarianism for many woke bro men.

A vividly clear belief that he as a male person is a higher kind of being, of greater importance, whose feelings matter, whose sexuality and bodily autonomy is an outrage to question.

However female people? He's been shouting at female homosexuals for years about being stroppy about 'learning to cope' with sex with male bodies whether they want to or not, and calling them all sorts of names for interrupting a male person's gender identity by wishing their sexuality and own perceptions to be equally respected instead of obediently providing themselves as a resource for a male person's better enjoyment of living their best lives.

Wholly sex based thinking, Owen. Male supremacist thinking in fact.
Double standards as to what you as a male person are entitled to compared to what you see a female person entitled to, and oh the enjoyment of being in the more privileged position able to order and decree what the lesser beings must suffer against their will.

The enjoyment of seeing them say no and getting to scold and inform them that their feelings don't matter, their humiliation at having their bodies and sexuality questioned, their right to be homosexual, their right to have boundaries are all stupid and must be ignored.... the gleeful enjoyment of seeing them go through this? While at the same time the stamping outrage when those standards are even theoretically applied to a man?

Go talk to the relationships board Owen. They know exactly what to do with men like that.

WalrusSubmarine · 02/04/2022 10:02

Oh dear. Stonewall won’t be pleased.
Didn’t Stonewall issue a statement telling lesbians to examine their prejudices or similar when the bbc article came out last year? Maybe they’d like to weigh in on this.

Cailin66 · 02/04/2022 10:00

I’m not blocked by him. So if I reply I guess he will block me. Will that mean my tweet reply is deleted or not?

MidsomerMurmurs · 02/04/2022 09:59

@Hasselhoffsheadband

I agree that he has changed in recent years, and I don't just mean because of the trans issue. He is now the resident 'leftie' on the Jeremy Vine show, his absolute crappy podcast where he 'uncovers the truth' about important issues by bringing in guests who will confirm his own bias, he rarely seems to write proper articles for newspapers anymore, it's all just click bait crap like everyone else.
A while back, someone referred to him as “Youtuber, Owen Jones” and he didn’t like it. Wish I could remember the context as it was very funny.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 09:54

He knows this, and won’t answer.

Exactly. He does and he knows that he can't.

NotBadConsidering · 02/04/2022 09:52

The bit he’s missing is

“Would you perform cunnilingus…

…on a trans man, if TMAM, and Stonewall say that person is now a gay man if they’re attracted to men, or are you saying your attraction is same SEX, not same GENDER as Stonewall define gay and homosexual relationships?”

He knows this, and won’t answer.

HestersSamplerofCarrots · 02/04/2022 09:51

Any time Owen jones is cross is a time someone, somewhere will have asked a question that is passing sensible, or said something that is somewhat logical

If he keeps using all the uppercase letters though, his box of bricks will run out.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 02/04/2022 09:49

I agree that he has changed in recent years, and I don't just mean because of the trans issue. He is now the resident 'leftie' on the Jeremy Vine show, his absolute crappy podcast where he 'uncovers the truth' about important issues by bringing in guests who will confirm his own bias, he rarely seems to write proper articles for newspapers anymore, it's all just click bait crap like everyone else.

InvisibleDragon · 02/04/2022 09:47

Also - lots of fairly critical commentary on a similar Facebook post:
www.facebook.com/100044175262126/posts/576565187159318/?sfnsn=scwspmo

And quite a few more from confused people asking what the whole thing is even about.

His position is weak from both sides.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 02/04/2022 09:45

Ah LOJ the man who slagged off women for having cleaners….who turned out to have a cleaner

He’s a hypocritical patronising bellend

Hasselhoffsheadband · 02/04/2022 09:43

There are loads of instances of TRAs saying that lesbians should able to accept dick (wasn't it Rachel McKinnon who used the words 'they learn to cope?) - it's all out there.

But no, it's the nasty GC feminists who are being so tawdry when they ask a similar question of Owen Jones.

Genitals are completely irrelevant, debasing to discuss, weird to think about, unless of course we are talking about the mighty ladydique.....

InvisibleDragon · 02/04/2022 09:37

I think he's sailing close to the wind here. Not too long before his former allies are all up in his mentions gently encouraging him to examine his cis privilege and work to amplify the voices of the oppressed. Which is of course the precursor to issuing a self criticism, denouncing yourself and committing to re-education and a lesson in cunnilingus.

TheirTheyre · 02/04/2022 09:29

I would like to comment but can’t as I imagine it would, with many others on this thread, be removed because you’re not allowed to discuss ‘t r a n s’ because it make you offensive. Or offending. But most certainly ‘wrong’.

DalarnaHorses · 02/04/2022 09:29

So lesbians have to accept lady dick, but gay men don't have to accept mangina. Got it, that sounds all fair and sensible 👍 Hmm

SolasAnla · 02/04/2022 09:28

@Somanysocks

LOJ is more of a spoon really.
Don't insult spoons👍
KittyLeMew · 02/04/2022 09:25

Chortle!

tabbycatstripy · 02/04/2022 09:24

‘He also looks increasingly unhealthy, his boyish looks are gone, he looks stressed’

I agree he sometimes looks unwell. Manic, even.

AndAsIfByMagic · 02/04/2022 09:21

Aw, bless, not a happy bunny.

Good.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 02/04/2022 09:21

He has developed into a very unusual type of writer, grifting for the increasingly bonkers Opinion section of the Guardian.

He has become one of the ego-fuelled niche writers who frequently end up financially dependent on one main publication, and fairly vulnerable. He could well think he’s an ‘important’ thinker. Such types can be very bitter, especially where they perceive their critics to be monetarily better off than them.

You see it a lot of freelance writing and also much campaign activism.

hamstersarse · 02/04/2022 09:19

I follow him on Twitter for the lols

He’s increasingly irrelevant. His videos used to get 500k viewers sometimes, but he’s lucky if he gets 20k these days

That’s what happens when you talk utter shit, I mean, who’s your audience here?!?

He also looks increasingly unhealthy, his boyish looks are gone, he looks stressed

That’s what happens when you deal with the world the way he does

QuebecBagnet · 02/04/2022 09:18

@VelvetChairGirl I’m blocked by him, fairly sure. I’m on every twitter terf list going.

doublemonkey · 02/04/2022 09:14

I presume we'll now start to see some helpful articles in the gay press aimed at young gay lads on how to perform cunnilingus.

It's only fair and inclusive. Young lesbians were provided this information about felatio of transwomen years ago.

doublemonkey · 02/04/2022 09:09

Owen Jones -Trapped, like a trap in a trap.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 02/04/2022 09:09

@Movingonup22

I’m actually gobsmacked by that - he really doesn’t get it!
But he does get it. He knows exactly what he's doing. He just hates women who won't do as they are told.

I thought MN was meant to be the "radicalised and hateful cesspit of anti-trans activists"?

He's just pissed that Twitter, which bans women for telling the truth whilst allowing men to send rape and death threats, is now full of people saying no to this batshit ideology, and the more tantrums he throws the more stupid he makes the movement, and himself, look.

No one is buying his ridiculous false equivalence with being gay.