Jameela in the Independent saying whatever she likes

They were speaking about ‘people’ so I did wonder if daddy would get jail time too?

Don't be daft men are never referred to as non birthing parent, testicle haver or ejaculating people. Even that most progressive of Democrats AOC refers to fathers as Dad while in the same video clip refers to mothers as birthing people.

Jamil spouts the hugest amount of shit.

It would depend on the details of the legislation.

It was usual that the woman is legislated for separately to any other party. If i remember correctly you could obtain a legal abortion in France later that in Germany. So in theory a woman could be arrested at a border crossing when X weeks plus 1 day pregnant if she lived in Germany but her chosen clinic was in France.

Most abortion legislation has specific clauses to prevent sex partners from obtaining meds and inducing an abortion without the woman's consent.
After that, if involved with the decision, it would be dependant on the extent to which providing assistance is detailed in the legislation.
Even then proving in court that the male was driving to a clinic, providing money etc to obtain an abortion would rely on the woman verifying the acts were done knowly.

He’s I wasn’t really sure about the recent US state legislation that says you can get ten years for having an abortion. They were speaking about ‘people’ so I did wonder if daddy would get jail time too?

Just popping this to demonstrate how the single sex message is lost.

3rd April
Anyone who can get pregnant can have an abortion. And not only women can get pregnant

mobile.twitter.com/PPact/status/1510686070588989444

And 4 April
Arizona joins Florida in denying people their constitutional right to abortion by limiting access after 15 weeks. The ban goes so far as to criminalize abortion providers by threatening fines, probation, and in some cases, imprisonment.

mobile.twitter.com/PPact/status/1511098789851013128?cxt=HHwWkIC92fuVwPgpAAAA

The sperm producer is a person. The sperm producer is criminalized for attempting to claim that as a "constitutional right".
Word usage matters.

Is it like the writing in a teen diary? 🤣

Oh god I just strayed on her website and had to immediately leave.

Some essay in which she says how mothers of boys should tell them it’s okay to watch porn.

The puberty blockers tweet is still up, here it is in full:

“Puberty blockers are not permanent. Loads of girls at my school were on them for very early heavy periods. This was in the 90s. I don’t remember hearing the outcry about how dangerous and evil they were then. Ah... But that’s because they were for cis kids so it was fine eh? 😶”

Lots of posts of people (including schoolmates!) setting her straight, but she just muted the thread because ‘transphobia is ugly’

She’s a clueless fuckwit and a liar.

She is as thick as shit but too up herself to realise.

ah yes JJ who went to a school in which (according to JJ) most of female pupils were using puberty blockers which therefore means PB's are absolutely fine....*

*it is possible JJ was confusing PB's with contraceptive pill

The question becomes how did a society go from providing it as part of health care to rolling it back in a much more liberal, sexual permissive society. There would be the cohert of voters who never accepted the provision but whole generation of women (&men) have grown up with access to birth control and abortion so why is it a vote winner.

Makes more sense to me now. I don't think (from the polling I have seen) that it's a huge vote winner but it's the issue for the republican base and therefore crucial in candidate selection.

I do think, more broadly, that stuff like this explains Trump (and similar politicians) indirectly, and therefore creates room for anti-abortion laws in the US. Many natural left wing voters find it hard to justify supporting candidates who spout drivel and seem disconnected from reality.

@donquixotedelamancha all the stuff i have seen has been people need access to abortion, not women need access.
They cant say a female can be men and not have access to abortion.
So using the clear message woman's rights is a lost, its transphobic as tmam results in some men needing abortion.

The question becomes how did a society go from providing it as part of health care to rolling it back in a much more liberal, sexual permissive society. There would be the cohert of voters who never accepted the provision but whole generation of women (&men) have grown up with access to birth control and abortion so why is it a vote winner. At a minimum the women should be looking to retain for themselves. I dont know if its also linked to the US having a profit taking health care system.

The Birds is a classic. Why not The Bees?

See movie clip and imagine monster bees:
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1002448_birds/quotes?

slapped him softly

Well that's clearly okay then. Silly woman.

Using the distraction of abortion being distracted by a "trans" swimmer to distract away from how trans rights is having an impact on women.

Using whataboutery to say nothing about the topic at hand.

So they are trying to say people get the right to choose. People include men, they get a say because there are 2 people involved in the (start of the) baby making process they get to choose. Except men don't get to choose.
So sell a lie. Logic proves the lie to "harm" men, "harm" babies, "help" "people". The lie has set up the oppositions argument without them having to say a word.

I don't understand this at all. The ACLU argues for women's right to abortion and while they do use nonsense language they still talk about women too. They also argue TWAW- hence the nonsense language about women's issues.

I don't understand why you think their first argument is proven wrong by logic or even why the two issues are linked.

The ACLU have a fundemenral problem in their US abortion campaign. The ACLU are selling TWAW tmam.

So they are trying to say people get the right to choose. People include men, they get a say because there are 2 people involved in the (start of the) baby making process they get to choose. Except men don't get to choose.
So sell a lie. Logic proves the lie to "harm" men, "harm" babies, "help" "people". The lie has set up the oppositions argument without them having to say a word.

Add in (one of ) the most visable trans person in the US is a olympic medal winning rich white male..

It was the most scared I’ve ever been. I didn’t know what it was and then suddenly I was like, ‘Oh my God, it’s killer bees! Those are killer bees!’ I just ran, food flew everywhere and I destroyed the whole set. It was terrifying

Ronson described it as 4/5 bees attracted to a plate of fruit they were eating so they moved to a table inside. Despite being asked to, he's never changed his story.

Both of her car crashes were apparently caused by bees too. When she was 11 or 17 (unclear) she ran into traffic because she was chased by a bee and almost died from horrific injuries.

An almost identical scenario then left her with minor injuries which was clarified to be a different accident in her 20s.

I was at school with a girl who just opened her mouth and spouted utter nonsense. No idea why (well for attention). For some reason some of the teachers indulged her.

I remember one English class when she was explaining to the teacher her woeful attempt at homework.

NB both her parents were teachers. And alive.

She don’t have a pen or pencil.
She didn’t have a dictionary at home
In fact there were no books at home
Because her mum couldn’t read.
Her dad couldn’t read.
Her dad had just died.

This went on for most of the class and even the ‘bad lads’ at the back of the class started telling her to stop telling lies.

Remember both of parents were alive and were teachers and she lived in a nice house near the school.

She also bought herself a dress ring when she about 15 and announced that she ‘was engaged to a lad (who we didn’t know) who was… a mechanic’.

She had a very fierce guard dog. Family had no dogs.

Every day there was something ‘amazing’ or ‘terrible’ that happened to her.

It was exhausting..

always try to demonise trans rights as a way to turn our heads and divert our attention and energy

"Trans rights" has only been a major issue for society in general in the last few years or so, so no, it's not some common trope through history as she's implying. Melodramatic, incoherent nonsense.

As a segue on this amazing thread about killer bees, , that phraseology ‘trans liberation’ is getting used more and more lately.

I think it is a misnomer of course. They actually already have it here. What they are not being liberated to have is more rights than any other group.

Sorry for the Mail derail on such an insightful thread about err......bees?

In contrast, a quick scan of the Mail online shows four articles this morning about women's rights. In addition to one about JKR being defamed by the BBC conflating her views alongside criminal paedophiles there's one about Rosie Duffield supporting Maya's new campaigning group:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678117/Labour-MP-Rosie-Duffield-backs-campaign-protect-sex-based-rights-local-election.html

Interestingly f you click on the women's rights link in the first para, look at what pops up:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/womens-rights/index.html

That's impressive coverage of what's going on