Nadhim Zahawi answers on definition of a woman

ChristinaXYZ · 2022-04-01T20:41:46+00:00

Education secretary Nadhim Zahawi interviewed in the Telegraph "Mr Zahawi ... asked for the definition of a woman - an issue which has stumped Labour politicians - he said: “A woman is an adult human female. My favourite subject at school was human biology. It’s a straightforward answer.”"

DomesticatedZombie · 02/04/2022 20:56

Yes. This is the starting point, a clear definition. Now all the bullshit legislation and policy and conventions built on bullshit TWAW assertions need to be fixed.

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ChristinaXYZ · 02/04/2022 20:19

@Purpletomato

Excellent. Perfect answer. What I want now from Zahawi and Javid (who also answered factually) is for them to start applying it in their policies. Single sex toilets, single sex wards, sensible sex ed policies that are age appropriate and factual etc.

Absolutely! Also, properly monitored sex of patients and staff too - with clear markers on everyone's records. So no-one 'accidentally' gets put into a ward that differs from his or her biological sex, and so when same sex staff for intimate care is requested the patient gets what he or she has bargained for.

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ResisterRex · 02/04/2022 18:40

I'm not a typist but have listened and done my best...CH = Christopher Hope (interviewer) NZ = Nadhim Zahawi

Q&A as reported

CH: it's a question of biology
NZ: Absolutely right

CH: does it matter? I mean, we shouldn't be talking about genetalia should we? At 10amm_ in a pub. It's dogging our political life isn't it?
NZ: and it really shouldn't and I'll tell you for why:

We have to make sure we protect those who feel that, actually, their gender is male or female. It's right to protect them. We are a civilised society and a sign of a civilised society is how it protects its minorities. And, you kow, I would asbolutely make sure that happens either in our education system or in the rest of society. But you don't protect them by in some way, being ambiguous, being - you know - unable to answer simple questions around sex. And I think that's important.

The thing that slightly concerns me is, you know, we are a hugely tolerant society and my family had the beneficiaries of this incredible country this tolerant society, is, we don't want this debate to become intolerant, to become nasty. It's not us, it's not how we...

CH: Trans people don't want to be part of a culture war, they just wanna live their lives
NZ: Exactly right. Exactly right. And I don't - I'm not comfortable with this nastiness - you know, I, I, just think we shouldn't be living in a world where - you know - people who say exactly what I just said are then set upon, are attacked.
CH: And young people aren't having this debate, they're completely relaxed about it. Completely. It's a generational thing.
NZ: And that's the beautiful thing about it, right? The great thing about our, our values is we are an incredibly tolerant society. Of course, there are - you know - there are outliers. There are people who behave badly but we have a justice system that deals with that.

[end of gender/sex segment]

[there was no point 2 but point 1 was long and then the interviewer cut in]

Signalbox · 02/04/2022 18:16

Excellent. Perfect answer. What I want now from Zahawi and Javid (who also answered factually) is for them to start applying it in their policies. Single sex toilets, single sex wards, sensible sex ed policies that are age appropriate and factual etc.

This.

They should start with prisons rather than defending the indefensible in court. If you recognise what a woman is and still think it’s fine to lock them up with rapists then we are no better off than with Labour and self ID.

UsernameNotAvailableHmm · 02/04/2022 18:05

Excellent news
I'm starting to like the Conservative party, but please, don't stop here
There's still a lot more that needs sorting out, as other posters have mentioned

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2022 17:16

@Purpletomato

Excellent. Perfect answer. What I want now from Zahawi and Javid (who also answered factually) is for them to start applying it in their policies. Single sex toilets, single sex wards, sensible sex ed policies that are age appropriate and factual etc.

Yes, and start extracting any misleading language that has been infiltrated into official documents including some among those in the NHS and BBC. ( ‘Assigned at birth’ ‘Cis’
‘Same gender attracted’ ‘chest feeding’ etc

Purpletomato · 02/04/2022 16:09

Excellent. Perfect answer. What I want now from Zahawi and Javid (who also answered factually) is for them to start applying it in their policies. Single sex toilets, single sex wards, sensible sex ed policies that are age appropriate and factual etc.

HRTQueen · 02/04/2022 16:01

I’m so glad this discussion is becoming mainstream

For too long many thought it wasn’t really an issues it was a social media debate

Unfortunately this is another issues Labour will lose voters on they need to get their act together they are all over the place

lifelast · 02/04/2022 15:58

[quote ScrollingLeaves]Well that is a relief, so long as he doesn’t somehow also think that a man can magically become one as Stella Creasy went on to say after also saying “An adult human female.”

See this from another thread:

“BringBackCoffeeCreams

On Politicäs Live yesterday. Challenged on what a woman is, she [Stella Creasy] said that a woman is an adult human female ... CHEERS! ... and some are born and some become women ... BANGS HEAD ON DESK!

(around 26.30)

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022”[/quote]
But how can she be that thick. She surely doesn't think some people become adult human females? Do words mean nothing to labour politicians?

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ChristinaXYZ · 02/04/2022 14:19

@ResisterRex

The link is here

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/01/nadhim-zahawi-children-arent-snowflakes-let-read-books-n-word]]/

But it's towards the end and the Telegraph doesn't do share tokens. I agree that Ministers must get a grip of the dangerous nonsense being peddled to kids. That's a really important follow-up question:

"Should children be taught about being same-gender or same-sex attracted as part of LGB sex education? [answer] Why do you say that?"

I think it is also said as part of an audio interview. I don't really do podcasts so don't know if what is behind a paywall at the Telegraph is free is you subscribe to Spotify or Apple podcasts - search for Chopper's Politics and it was published April 1st.

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ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2022 09:43

Should children be taught about being same-gender or same-sex attracted as part of LGB sex education? [answer] Why do you say that?"

The problem is that a lot of people wouldn’t understand the question.

“Gender” is now used instead of “Sex” all the time including by television and news presenters. Language has got very messed up.

Helleofabore · 02/04/2022 08:48

its not just labour, lib dems and greens are too stupid and frightened of stonewall to say the truth.

Yes. I agree. The lib dems tell me they have never heard any complaints on their door stop trips about their treatment of women. I point out that I tell them this each time they come and knock, plus write to the LD MP . So someone is not reporting back to the local party.

sashagabadon · 02/04/2022 08:09

Lol! This has gone from the most feared question in politics to Tory MP’s lining up in their droves to answer it

VelvetChairGirl · 02/04/2022 08:07

@Helleofabore

It is very easy for the Tories to make Labour look like idiots at the moment. Despite some of the utter stuff ups they are responsible for. Simply answering the question of defining a woman as a female without any ‘buts’ or ‘ands’. Just sticking to the facts.

That four word mantra has been the key to this pushback.

And I understand that all those who have been telling us on MN that we are the extreme minority, despite us carefully explaining the polls and the reality, must be feeling like they have lost the use of one of their tropes.

Only a fool would bother trying that one again.

Just like after seeing all the young women voicing their anger at inclusion of males in their sports is just the start of that other foolish claim we see, the younger generation are so much more tolerant. Oh…. Dr Frank Lunz’s poll last year also put paid to the ‘more tolerant’ lie too.

its not just labour, lib dems and greens are too stupid and frightened of stonewall to say the truth.

MarshaBradyo · 02/04/2022 07:32

Good to read

ResisterRex · 02/04/2022 07:28

The link is here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/01/nadhim-zahawi-children-arent-snowflakes-let-read-books-n-word/

But it's towards the end and the Telegraph doesn't do share tokens. I agree that Ministers must get a grip of the dangerous nonsense being peddled to kids. That's a really important follow-up question:

"Should children be taught about being same-gender or same-sex attracted as part of LGB sex education? [answer] Why do you say that?"

MangyInseam · 01/04/2022 23:58

So what is the Conservative Secretary of Sate doing about the damaging mess going on in schools?

I think this is the next thing.

Places like schools haven't in the main had the woo imposed downward from the ministerial level. It's come from organizations like SW and other activists, civil servants, quasi-governmental and professional organizations.

It's only now that the political level is starting to see and acknowledge what has been going on. The next task is to begin to dismantle some of this. Which I suspect will be another battle, but one hopes a battle where the momentum favours sanity.

I also hope that it will involve a close look at what caused the weaknesses and bind spots that allowed this capture to take place, or it will happen again, just in another area.

teawamutu · 01/04/2022 23:05

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Agreed SpinningTheSeedsOfLove. I'll know the Tories get it when the lobby groups are booted out of schools and Headteachers are challenged about the repeated safeguarding breaches and allowing their pupils to be gaslighted b the "born in the wrong body" brigade.

Exactly this. So let's get some letters in asking what he plans to do to roll back the capture and undo the damage.

HRTQueen · 01/04/2022 22:28

Wow a politician telling the truth

This is really damaging to Labour it’s moved in from what many have seen as a non issue

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/04/2022 22:19

Agreed SpinningTheSeedsOfLove. I'll know the Tories get it when the lobby groups are booted out of schools and Headteachers are challenged about the repeated safeguarding breaches and allowing their pupils to be gaslighted b the "born in the wrong body" brigade.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 01/04/2022 22:16

@Horcruxe

Finally

Just annoying it's all the conservatives and labour is lagging behind.

So what is the Conservative Secretary of Sate doing about the damaging mess going on in schools?

He's the boss. The gender woo buck stops with him.

And he's doing NOTHING. Parents are still being kept in the dark.

I'll keep saying this. This is a Tory mess more than a Labour one because the Tories are in government in the here and now. Labour are an unforgiveable disappointment for not being a credible Opposition to a poisonous anti-child ideology.

SockFluffInTheBath · 01/04/2022 22:09

Flipping heck! He’s my MP and walks the party line so incredibly finely I just took him for a puppet. If this is actually to be the Conservative line then all well and good.

Helleofabore · 01/04/2022 22:05

It is very easy for the Tories to make Labour look like idiots at the moment. Despite some of the utter stuff ups they are responsible for. Simply answering the question of defining a woman as a female without any ‘buts’ or ‘ands’. Just sticking to the facts.

That four word mantra has been the key to this pushback.

And I understand that all those who have been telling us on MN that we are the extreme minority, despite us carefully explaining the polls and the reality, must be feeling like they have lost the use of one of their tropes.

Only a fool would bother trying that one again.

Just like after seeing all the young women voicing their anger at inclusion of males in their sports is just the start of that other foolish claim we see, the younger generation are so much more tolerant. Oh…. Dr Frank Lunz’s poll last year also put paid to the ‘more tolerant’ lie too.

Franklin12 · 01/04/2022 22:04

Labour behind is an understatement! They just don’t know…

ScrollingLeaves · 01/04/2022 21:49

Well that is a relief, so long as he doesn’t somehow also think that a man can magically become one as Stella Creasy went on to say after also saying “An adult human female.”

See this from another thread:

“BringBackCoffeeCreams

On Politicäs Live yesterday. Challenged on what a woman is, she [Stella Creasy] said that a woman is an adult human female ... CHEERS! ... and some are born and some become women ... BANGS HEAD ON DESK!

(around 26.30)

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022”