Maya Forstater on front page of Daily Mail

The Mail used to be worse. And the Guardian used to be better.

I think these are not unrelated - the Mail no longer has to be quite so disingenuous/mendacious/whatever to make the left look bad, and the Guardian has to be more mendacious to make them look good.

I actually think, contrary to several posters, that TG is also more racist overall, but even without that element, this assumption that it's somehow morally purer is just such a huge mistake even at a glance.

Their biggest problem is a real tendency to go for cheap tabloid articles without being careful about fact checking, but TG doesn't even seem much more reliable these days - the main difference is they manipulate the narrative by simply leaving things out which doesn't get flagged as inaccurate reporting in the same way.

It's not on the front page in Mailonline so I looked in Femail section and couldn't even see it there. So finally gave in and resorted to Search and it came up. They seem to be hiding it away more than anything.

If I hadn't read about it here I wouldn't have known a thing about it and that will be the same for the wide online readership, most of whom, like me, I suspect, never buy the newspaper.

It is a nonsensical point. The movement is what it is regardless of which newspaper wants to publish stories about it. OJ thinks he gets to sit in judgment on what constitutes ‘okay’ feminism, whereas I think he should just F off.

It's like #nodebate. It's tired, I'm sick of hearing it.

For those who think the Guardian is and has always been some shining beacon of light in a dark industry, this is worth reading in full:

corruptionuncovered.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/michael-gillard-on-bent-cops-the-untouchables-investigative-journalism-and-the-guardian-2001-exposing-the-link-to-stephen-lawrence-and-daniel-morgan-murders/

Owen Jones: ‘Because if this was a genuinely radical feminist movement threatening the patriarchy, it would definitely 100% have the enthusiastic support of checks notes the Daily Mail.’

He is the patriarchy.

Fantastic and I think so many people have peaked thanks to Liar Thomas and now the cycling dude. I've just typed that letter up and am going to send to all my local councillors who are up for election.

Let's do this!

In the related articles box beneath the Maya article, a blistering attack on Stonewall by the new Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey. And she's taking no prisoners.

The relief at seeing common sense prevailing in MSM.
The DM online & front page of the paper has a massive reach into the heart (& minds) of the Great British Public.

How telling are the career politicians responses.
I am now looking forward to meeting my local candidates on the doorstep in the weeks coming to the May 22 local elections.

#RespectMySexIfYouWantMyX.

Why are jails segregated? What’s the point if we can all choose where we want to go?

I saw something on YouTube which really highlighted how insane putting men in women's prisons is.

The figures given were 137 TW in women's prisons, 69 had current or previous convictions for sexual offences, about 50%.

If you took 137 men from the male prison estate in the same proportion sex offenders were represented in the male estate and transferred them to women's prisons there would be 28 sex offenders. The video used 20% as the rate of sex offenders in the male prison estate, this is the higher end of the 15 - 20% range often quoted.

Currently 137 TW in female prisons = 69 sex offenders.

Hypothetically 137 men in female prisons = 28 sex offenders

In other words if we just admitted men to women's prisons then women would be exposed to fewer sex offenders.

Insane is correct as well as utterly barbaric.

Why are jails segregated? What’s the point if we can all choose where we want to go?

The world has gone insane

Bit emotional and angry reading the article! Maya is mega.

Jesus, Lisa Nandy. So, i want male child rapists locked up with women because i wont do anything that challenges the identity of a young trans person i know.

How about challenging an ideology that requires male rapists to be locked up with women to validate individuals identities.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080159/amp/Stephen-Lawrence-case-How-killers-finally-brought-justice.html

Just saw Misty. Weird joke! Anyway, doesn't detract from the day

How the fuck has this taken so long to actually get out there and make people sit up?

Fucking hell. Seeing all those quotes together is really going to make people who were unaware of this issue, realise the extent of this insanity. Go Maya (and everyone else!!!)

Looks like we are organising .....

I've just written to all my candidates in the upcoming elections - been meaning to do this for weeks, great sense of satisfaction! I was furious with the Greens when I wrote to them about this last year (county elections) - total mansplaining and a page of critical theory on why I was actually playing into the hands of a patriarchal outlook (how silly of me, thinking I was standing up for women).

I’ve just been back on the DM and the article seems to have slipped down further. If you have a minute could you click on it, and hopefully get it towards the top.
Thanks