Starmer: biology matters

It beggars belief that given that 'what is it woman' is the question de nos jours for politicians, despite their legions of spads and speechwriters they have failed to craft a plausible and articulate response. It's all 'er' and 'hmm' and nonsense about rabbit holes and contexts - they're all astonishingly poor communicators quite apart from their absurd beliefs!

"Man" and "woman" are social identities, and you are imposing them on the basis of (your simplistic idea of) sex.

You are imposing masculine and feminine names, pronouns, labels, and frankly, dress codes. You claim not to, but you have a "actually men crossdressing in public is bad too" thread almost every week.

Trans identity is in no way based on sterotypes, you just have to keep telling yourself it is to justify your own persistent gender enforcement.

Nope. Men and women, cis and trans alike, can all dress however they want. There's no "rigid dress code".

Of course. Didn't say they couldn't.

Men should wear dresses if they like them. I'm almost always in trousers. My son loves wearing pink.

It's not GC people saying a boy hating trucks and loving fairies is actually a girl, or a girl who wants short hair and football boots is a boy and both need drugs and surgery to change their appearance to better match the stereotypes.

It's the genderists.

"And no one "has to" undergo any medical procedure they do not want."
So keep dicks out of places where biological women are vulnerable. Because how do we know that the owner of the dick is safe to be around

Whoever is drafting his Lines To Take needs to go back to the drawing board. And the journalists need to grow up and challenge this nonsense.
Wes Streeting did a better job at the words. Doubt he meant it but at least he did a better job.
How long can Starmer keep this up and not suffer the consequences?

As for this "it's just a minority issue". Not for over 50% of the population it fucking isn't.

Oo look, a sea lion!
(sea lions are not lions, btw)

“Biology matters, and for the vast number of women what matters is biology. We all understand that, we all get that and that’s common sense. But there are a small number of people who are born into a gender which they don’t identify with and they strongly identify with another gender and they often struggle.”

It is GARBAGE! Here’s the clip. Worth watching to the end to see him repeat it 3 times in exactly the same words like a well-coiffeured parrot:

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And no one "has to" undergo any medical procedure they do not want.

Trans people are the ones asserting people can live by any identity they feel comfortable with regardless of what their bodies are like.

But that's not true, Cayeli. Trans people are the ones imposing very rigid codes of dress and behaviour and undergoing painful surgeries to imitate the identity they profess.

If they were comfortable regardless of bodily appearance they wouldn't transition, surely?

He's crapped it. Lots more to come 'sir'

@Cayeli outside of a medical context, there are several other contexts where the physical shape of the body matters. This includes sports and changing rooms and shared accommodation (e.g. prisons). These are primarily segregated based on sex and should remain so.

for the rest, things like jobs and housing and education and the right to vote, sex doesn't matter and neither does gender. we should be able to move beyond both.

You're very confused, Cayeli.

The feminist position is that 'social identities' should not be determined by sex. That's the genderist view, which argues that if you don't conform to sex stereotypes (Barbie, G Joe) you're trans.

Outside medical context, you do not need to refer to one's physical characteristics at all. Especially not in social interactions, and especially not on social media.

Why do you need to do it in a medical context?

Stock, Stock, not stick

Please can someone wheel in Kathleen Stick and Emma Hilton to explain why labour when spouts utter nonsense it matters. I do hope LWD are going to finally have their requests to talk to Keir granted. Perhaps he could just watch the video from last year’s meeting to get up to speed? I don’t hold out much hope of clarity being achieved in time for May’s elections though

You've decided womanhood is, what, heels, dresses, femininity? The social side of being a human who "identifies as a woman"?

Even if you call it that, the reality of the adult females continues, as actual 'womanhood', even if you call it something else or refuse to dignify it with a name. All those living that female life, with the shared characteristic of being female, still exist.

The ultimate problem you will always have is that females are a separate class of people to males. Even if you socially/by convention ban all the words we can use to say that, there will still be females and males.

I won’t vote for him. I’ll vote for whichever party recognises a woman and defends her right to be safe taking a piss/in jail/ in a refuge/in a hospital and anywhere else. I will not have my daughters used as props in others fantasies or fodder for others fetish.

Outside medical context, you do not need to refer to one's physical characteristics at all. Especially not in social interactions, and especially not on social media.

Trans people are the ones asserting people can live by any identity they feel comfortable with regardless of what their bodies are like.

Poor Starmer. He’s never had to guts to say what he thinks about all this, and now he’s so tangled up in trying to repeat slogans that he’s pleasing no one and annoying everyone.

Pretty disappointed in him tbh, I was excited to have a QC leading Labour, but I’m still waiting for the flash of brilliance QCs usually come up with. Labour politicians spend too much time in echo chambers and need to get out and listen to voters.

I wonder who will replace him?

Hopefully someone knows that women make up half the electorate, and who can spot that female voters are fed up of being told by men that we have no right to opinions on what it is to be a woman.

So, why impose specific social identities on people based on their sex?

That's precisely what gender ideology is does. Feminists believe people have sexed bodies and personalities.