Starmer: biology matters

He looked like he was on pain of death not to stray from the prescribed text which made him look like a duplicitous idiot - pretty sure he's not actually an idiot...

Keir Theory is tacking this way because of the May elections. But this madness has some way to go

And please define a real woman. Starmer and his cronies cant.

@Joystir59- what dv shelters? What dv support? "Women" with penises are in there stopping biological women from accessing them due to many reasons. Try reading a few threads here so you can understand that, right now, having the politicians and lawmakers know what an actual woman is the main and only goal. Got to get the foundations solid first before dealing with anything else and Kier and Co won't make them solid. Always voted Labour but not now. It socks.

I watched the full clip of Starmer. What an embarrassment. Yet again we are talking about women but he talks about gender identity for nearly 3 minutes. Just because he used the word biology does not mean he is a friend of women. Why can't they just be honest. A woman is an adult human female but we have a law that says men can be women so yes I this case some women can have a penis because we made a total cock up and didn't think this through.

[quote Pixiedust1234]@Joystir59 - I don't really trust any of them but at least Boris knows what an adult female is. I don't want men gaslighting me that they are really women. #nothankyou[/quote]
Regardless of how the Tories actually treat real women and children by forcing so many of them to live in poverty with inadequate maternity care food and fuel poverty, the lack of funding for dv services and shelters?

I do not care. That's it, lifelong Labour voter but I see now that they are as misogynistic as the tories. Really have no idea which party I will vote for now

Gender critical women are enforcing gender stereotypes now? Words have no meaning at all now, do they?

Ok, I will bite.

In Afghanistan, half of the population over the age of 11 are banned from attend school. How do the authorities tell which half should not attend? Can those people identify out of it in order to continue their education? If not, why not?

This TRA guff is a luxury belief in most of the world.

@ScreamingMeMe that is class!

What I really don't get is why, why do these men want to be women?? I don't get it. Womanhood is not a social construct, it is a biological state!
In terms of shared female experience, I have more in common with an ancient Celtic menstruating woman than a man from 2021! We all know this, though right?? It's like the Emperors New Clothes delusion.
But why? Why want to be us now? What is the point? Do they like the heels or the fancy dresses? Newsflash, I'm a woman and I don't even wear those!! I doubt there were men queuing up to be us when we couldn't vote or inherit property!
I find it all odd and deeply worrying.

We know that there re many many girls who feel terrible about their sexed bodies but we do not think that they need to undergo radical changes to their bodies or name them as boys or men. Time for clarity...I think some may be getting there.

Crochet has it, I reckon. You get a D- in biology and get sent here for basic Biology 101.

@Cayeli3

I think I understand where you're coming from. But isn't the problem that social issues related to biology have been foisted upon women by forces beyond their control?

In a world where there was no rape, no sexual harassment, no discrimination on the basis of sex in work and career advancement, no abuse within marriages and relationships, I doubt women would be so worried about protecting the exclusivity of female spaces. But these things exist, and not because women want them to exist - so women then have to demand what is needed to protect themselves from them.

It's then a bit disingenuous to pretend that everyone can just muck in in a big sex-and-gender-free-happy-go-round where biological sex doesn't matter, isn't it?

It obviously matters to the men who commit rape.

I thought biology education was generally a myth and frowned upon in the US? Isn't it more like extended bible classes in a lot of states?

@MrsWooster I do. It’s whoever finished their biology homework last gets a go.

'Transitioning' in this context does not and cannot mean actually changing sex. It means taking actions in an attempt to change how others see you, which apparently can range from just saying something to taking hormones or having surgery. None of this things make a person change sex, because it's not possible.

to be fair, I’m invested in seeing what number cayeli we get up to. It’s like a toddler having a tantrum when they can’t get the blocks in the holes and their mum is ignoring them

Up to 3 already

Goodness

Can't wait to see what pious guff La Nandy comes out with.

Because that's her identity. Identity is not in any way dictated by stereotypes, nor by physical characteristics. No one is being put on a pathway to medical transition because they "want short hair and football boots", medical transition is the means to address physical dysphoria. Nothing to do with stereotypes.

You're talking about two different things here - people with an 'identity' and people who want to make a physical medical transition.

What is the identity based on in the case of someone who doesn't want to medically transition? Why does this person have a 'woman' identity and not a 'man' identity? What is the difference between a 'woman' identity and a 'man' identity?

If a person doesn't want to undergo a medical transition and doesn't have dysphoria about their sexed body, what makes them trans?

Stella Creasy MP was on Politics Live on BBC today saying that Woman = Adult Human Female, but watered the effect down by adding that "most women have vaginas and cervices but some have penises because they were born men but have become women". 🤔. She seemed confused.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022

They were discussing the cycling 🚴 at about 23:45 mins in.