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Can a woman have a penis?

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SpidersAreShitheads · 31/03/2022 14:11

There’s currently a poll on Twitter asking the above question.

It was showing 90% as “no” responses - but it’s been shared widely by certain TRA accounts and shenanigans are now ongoing (see screenshot).

It’s now flipped with 57% responses saying “yes”.

I think that although it’s just a shitty Twitter poll, every little thing like this matters. Every time there’s an opportunity to say “live how you want, but women do not have a penis” I think it’s important to keep saying it.

So, with that in mind I’m sharing the link here if anyone would like to vote.

twitter.com/talkradio/status/1508729013732265990?s=21&t=4PKo9jQ--WCi9dhN4hlnEg

Can a woman have a penis?
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beastlyslumber · 01/04/2022 07:34

@JellySaurus

I cannot take the credit for this. I don't know who wrote it, but I think she has a way with words, don't you?

(To the tune of "If you're happy and you know
it, Clap your hands)

If a person has a penis, he's a man.
If a person has a penis, he's a man.
If he doesn't want to lose it,
Even though he doesn't use it,
If a person has a penis, he's a man.

If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.
If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.
He can tuck it to conceal it,
Let it dangle and reveal it,
If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.

If he amputates his bits, he's still a man.
If he grows a pair of tits, he's still a man.
If the chromosome's a "Y"
HE WILL ALWAYS BE A GUY.
If he isn't born a woman, he's a man.

That's bloody brilliant!
NitroNine · 01/04/2022 06:44

I once reached a healthy BMI because a dietitian couldn’t read their own handwriting & was a blithering idiot. It’s somewhere in my official hospital notes & everything. Sadly even creating that record didn’t magically make me gain the weight (nor lose the height, happily!) to achieve said BMI.

Maybe it’s part of why they’re so angry with JK Rowling: the realisation there are no Magic Words, you can’t use transfiguration (or Polyjuice Potion) to transition, & you don’t get to Imperius people into agreeing TWAW even if you have a dark mark tattoo & everything Hmm

Reality is so terribly unyielding, even when you try to circumvent it.

As for brigading the poll - do you think they [fully] understand that all it demonstrates is that the individual who instigated the brigading has a substantial following who were available to flood the poll. The result itself is meaningless. You can learn things (eg re: perceived ownership/control of certain online spaces; brigading [with socks] = stereotypically male behaviour but here openly orchestrated by & engaged in by TW, undermining TRA claims about socialisation patterns; ways in which this was [part of a pattern of] misogynist [behaviour] by contributors….) should you choose to analyse the discussion around the deliberate destruction of the poll - the most obvious being there is a fear the real answer would have been “no”.

That is, realistically, the only reason to interfere with it in such a fashion - you think that the answer will be “wrong” unless you “correct” it. Quite how it could be any comfort that “100% of people who think women can have penises think women can have penises” I do not know; but then, I do not understand how TRAs can believe things that are demonstrably false, either. I enjoy excursions into the counter-factual, please don’t misunderstand me, but the point is that allows us to explore the “what ifs?” not the “what is” - a distinction apparently lost on TRAs.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 31/03/2022 17:05

Katy Montgomerie was rallying the troops throughout the day the other day with regards to this poll. What sad lives they must lead.

That song! 🤣

Rummikub · 31/03/2022 17:00

The might have been
‘What is a woman’

tabbycatstripy · 31/03/2022 16:59

There’s always one.

Rummikub · 31/03/2022 16:58

Yoko Ono says she's 6ft tall as that’s how she feels!

tabbycatstripy · 31/03/2022 16:48

If you invent a concept based on how you feel, it’s not a surprise that it’s based on how you feel.

Like we can all measure our height in feet and inches, but I could invent something called “emotional height”. I could call it Naang. I could say it was based on how tall you felt.

But so what?

Sex isn’t based on how you feel. There’s no evidence for an innate ‘gender’ that is separable from feelings.

Rummikub · 31/03/2022 16:46

I wish I’d paid more attention to the wording.
Did anyone else catch it?

MidsomerMurmurs · 31/03/2022 16:44

Peston last night showed a you gov poll.
40% said that your gender was based on how you feel. Can’t remember exact wording

Quite right. Your “gender” (if you have one) is entirely based on how you feel.

Gender is not sex. “Man” and “woman” refer to the sex of the adult human in question.

It is not complicated.

JellySaurus · 31/03/2022 16:34

I cannot take the credit for this. I don't know who wrote it, but I think she has a way with words, don't you?

(To the tune of "If you're happy and you know
it, Clap your hands)

If a person has a penis, he's a man.
If a person has a penis, he's a man.
If he doesn't want to lose it,
Even though he doesn't use it,
If a person has a penis, he's a man.

If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.
If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.
He can tuck it to conceal it,
Let it dangle and reveal it,
If a person has a nutsack, he's a man.

If he amputates his bits, he's still a man.
If he grows a pair of tits, he's still a man.
If the chromosome's a "Y"
HE WILL ALWAYS BE A GUY.
If he isn't born a woman, he's a man.

Crcohetmonster · 31/03/2022 15:31

No.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 31/03/2022 15:13

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]Julie Bindel discussed this at a WPUK event:

One line stood out for me: “Her erect penis was visible above her tights.” And this Australian full-on lesbian turned to me and said, “The only time that her penis should be used in a sentence is when a woman has castrated her rapist and she’s holding it up.”

womansplaceuk.org/2019/05/30/3697/[/quote]
Star

NecessaryScene · 31/03/2022 15:12

Nope!

disagree.

Am I forced to somehow choose between the collective wisdom of Goldie Lookin Chain and Mumsnet? Sad

Mrsmch123 · 31/03/2022 15:02

Nope!

BootsAndRoots · 31/03/2022 14:50

It amazes me how much time and effort people put into manipulating the result of these Twitter polls. Perhaps put up some Twitter polls on election day and the TRAs will be sat at home voting in a Twitter poll rather than an actual election.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 31/03/2022 14:43

Julie Bindel discussed this at a WPUK event:

One line stood out for me: “Her erect penis was visible above her tights.” And this Australian full-on lesbian turned to me and said, “The only time that her penis should be used in a sentence is when a woman has castrated her rapist and she’s holding it up.”

womansplaceuk.org/2019/05/30/3697/

SpidersAreShitheads · 31/03/2022 14:29

@PeeAche2

I have one. He's called Big Purple and he lives in my bedside table.

I'm not entirely sure this is what you mean though.

😂😂😂😂

And that is the only type of penis a woman can have.

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SpidersAreShitheads · 31/03/2022 14:28

I know a lot of people who are scared to be open about their GC views. And I think the more people can see they don’t have to collude in the Emperor's New Clothes, the more they'll feel able to be honest rather than staying silent or feeling forced into submission eg/in workplaces.

I’m lucky, I’m self employed so I have autonomy but DP has had to have several group sessions of “diversity training” which very clearly communicates that GC views won’t be tolerated. It’s shit.

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Pixiedust1234 · 31/03/2022 14:28

[quote SpidersAreShitheads]@BoreOfWhabylon Oh yes, good point! I’ve reported the account now.

@Pixiedust1234 - certain people are admitting to having multiple accounts to change the result of the poll to show Yes.[/quote]
Oh duh...thought they were referring to multiple mn accounts, not multiple twitter accounts. Time for a coffee I think Blush

girlmom21 · 31/03/2022 14:28

No. Clearly not.

PeeAche2 · 31/03/2022 14:26

I have one. He's called Big Purple and he lives in my bedside table.

I'm not entirely sure this is what you mean though.

Thoosa · 31/03/2022 14:25

You’ll only get accurate results by random sampling and phoning respondents. Like they do for political polling.

Rummikub · 31/03/2022 14:25

Old school poll. Pen and paper might be the only way?

SpidersAreShitheads · 31/03/2022 14:24

@BoreOfWhabylon Oh yes, good point! I’ve reported the account now.

@Pixiedust1234 - certain people are admitting to having multiple accounts to change the result of the poll to show Yes.

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Rummikub · 31/03/2022 14:24

The you gov poll? But I’m not sure if it can reflective if there’s always a pile on?