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I hope this is not true - med student in US deliberately misses vein after patient remarks on pronoun badge

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ButlerianJihad · 31/03/2022 11:01

www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-wake-medical-student-missed-vein-patient-stuck-twice-gender-pronoun-pin

Unsure if this is how to share links on MN.

From the text: "A fourth-year medical student at Wake Forest University in North Carolina bragged on Twitter about purposely missing a vein while drawing blood because a patient asked about her pronoun pin.

"I had a patient I was doing a blood draw on see my pronoun pin and loudly laugh to the staff 'She/Her? Well of course it is! What other pronouns even are there? It?'" K. Del, or Kychelle Del Rosario, a fourth-year medical student at Wake Forest School of Medicine, tweeted, according to The Post Millennial.

"I missed his vein so he had to get stuck twice," she said. Del Rosario has since deleted her account."

Whether this incident is true or not, and I hope it isn't, it does highlight a concern of the use of pronoun badges in health care. Many people are not familiar with these debates and the strength of feeling involved and so while many who know the consequences are successfully silenced, those naive to the ramifications may make comments which may be perceived as insensitive.

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IamAporcupine · 31/03/2022 16:50

@Babdoc

A pronoun badge is potentially a useful marker for a health care professional who apparently doesn’t understand o level biology, and/or is a virtue signalling and attention seeking narcissist. Patients may wish to choose a different doctor.
Grin
AlsoNotAGirl · 31/03/2022 16:00

@tabbycatstripy

Nobody who takes pleasure in hurting a patient should be anywhere near medicine.
Agreed

Regardless of whether it was accidental or deliberate the boasting on twitter is highly unprofessional

FemaleAndLearning · 31/03/2022 15:40

What happened to first do no harm?
What amazes me is these people think everyone knows all about gender identity ideology and why they believe pronouns are soooo important. The poor bloke probably just thought what the hell is that all about.
The self declared via woman calling it out as transphobia is all a bit strange.

I hope this is not true - med student in US deliberately misses vein after patient remarks on pronoun badge
Babdoc · 31/03/2022 15:34

A pronoun badge is potentially a useful marker for a health care professional who apparently doesn’t understand o level biology, and/or is a virtue signalling and attention seeking narcissist. Patients may wish to choose a different doctor.

Waitwhat23 · 31/03/2022 15:27

And fairly pointless. Badges which actually indicate something useful - a speaker of BSL or someone who has undertaken dementia awareness training would actually increase inclusivity. Pronouns to be used in the absence of the HCP aren't understandably the general public's primary concern when accessing health care.

BraveBananaBadge · 31/03/2022 15:22

@Rightsraptor

Interesting that Dr Obuobi said she had had several patients commenting negatively on her pronoun badge over the past few weeks. Something shifting?

Also it's hardly unknown any hcp to miss a vein or have a problem with venepuncture - certainly done it myself, some veins are just tricky little buggers . What is wrong is the med student's bragging & turning into a political action.

Quite, raptor. Are they really being "berated", or just met with healthy scepticism they can't handle because it's a nonsense? The badges seem to be proving more of a foolish distraction - and something to cause division and silly unprofessional behaviour - than creating an inclusive 'safe space', no?
MoonOnASpoon · 31/03/2022 14:22

This isn't just political though, IMO it's a result of the massive lie that is widely accepted by gender ideologues and "allies", that those who don't agree with the ideology are evil bigots who hate trans people and want them to die. It's ridiculous and nothing to do with GC arguments at all - which is why a number of trans people also make the same arguments - but I think people really do believe it. Once you've monstered and dehumanised someone enough for not agreeing with you, it probably dos seem trivial to physically hurt them, after all that's minor compared with the murderous violence you've attributed to them.

Just one of the many ways in which this whole thing is so dangerous. I am actually scared that as the tide turns, there will be a hardcore rump of true believers who really think violence is justified.

MingeofDeath · 31/03/2022 14:10

The main guiding principle for any HCP is "Do no harm". Fuck me, I have had to look after sex offenders and wife beaters. Does it stick in my craw? Too damn right it does. I have to put aside my prejudices and treat everyone the same.

Rightsraptor · 31/03/2022 14:09

Interesting that Dr Obuobi said she had had several patients commenting negatively on her pronoun badge over the past few weeks. Something shifting?

Also it's hardly unknown any hcp to miss a vein or have a problem with venepuncture - certainly done it myself, some veins are just tricky little buggers . What is wrong is the med student's bragging & turning into a political action.

Waitwhat23 · 31/03/2022 13:30

Her twitter account has since been deleted but I'm sure before it was, there was a tweet saying something along the lines of 'I didn't really stick them deliberately! Was an accident! Trans rights always!'

As described above, undoubtedly she stepped out her echo chamber and went 'Oh shit, this hasn't gone down well in the real world'.

CaptSkippy · 31/03/2022 13:29

@Artichokeleaves

Hm.

It's been said from the start:

Does allowing politics into health care mean that health care professionals will feel entitled to provide less good care and indeed in this case actively enjoy exploiting the power of their position and set aside ethics - to those declared heretics and unworthy compared to Good People?

Any health care professional behaving like this should be sacked on the spot. It's atrociously bad in terms of basic practice and competence.

This is already happening. Pharmacists are allowed to refuse to sell a woman plan B or other forms of birthcontrol for "religious reasons", but really it's polotical.
SockFluffInTheBath · 31/03/2022 13:11

@tabbycatstripy

Nobody who takes pleasure in hurting a patient should be anywhere near medicine.
This.
debwong · 31/03/2022 13:06

@nauticant

Because they've learned for years that if you say something that will be treated with joy in your echo chamber, your social capital will increase considerably. They forget that the real world actually still exists, it's just out of their line of sight, and thus effectively of no consequence.

But sometimes they find themselves tipped into the real world and then they are horrified by how it doesn't obey the rules of the echo chamber.

Very well put.
MangyInseam · 31/03/2022 13:03

This reminds me of something disturbing I read last year about growing issues with young doctors and medical students thinking it is ok to deprioritize patients in situations like triage if they are, for example, seen as racists.

It might have been in The Atlantic, but I will check when I get back from work.

Georgeskitchen · 31/03/2022 12:49

Sadly nothing surprises me anymore in the twisted universe that we seem to be existing in

Artichokeleaves · 31/03/2022 12:44

Hm.

It's been said from the start:

Does allowing politics into health care mean that health care professionals will feel entitled to provide less good care and indeed in this case actively enjoy exploiting the power of their position and set aside ethics - to those declared heretics and unworthy compared to Good People?

Any health care professional behaving like this should be sacked on the spot. It's atrociously bad in terms of basic practice and competence.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 12:29

Because they've learned for years that if you say something that will be treated with joy in your echo chamber, your social capital will increase considerably. They forget that the real world actually still exists, it's just out of their line of sight, and thus effectively of no consequence.

But sometimes they find themselves tipped into the real world and then they are horrified by how it doesn't obey the rules of the echo chamber.

Rewis · 31/03/2022 12:25

If this is true, it baffles me why people decide ti make these things public. I'm sure helsthcare professionals treat nice/rude patients differently and might take extra care with the nice ones. But harming on purpose and making it public?

RobotValkyrie · 31/03/2022 12:21

Pronoun-worshipper glorifying actual, literal violence. How progressive...

IcakethereforeIam · 31/03/2022 12:18

Woke Forest amirite!?

MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 31/03/2022 12:17

Yes I saw this on the Libs of Tiktok Twitter page so I am a Bad Person.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 12:01

I assume the response of the medical student will be "it didn't happen, it was just bravado" to get the offence assessed on the basis of misuse of social media. She'll probably need to change her name in some way, the identified one is very distinctive and might be prominent in Internet searches for years.

BraveBananaBadge · 31/03/2022 11:54

There's a quote tweet inside Greg Re's thread in which a (self-described) cis woman gets to call transphobia because of getting stick for a 'she/her' pronouns badge. See? Everyone can have a go at this!

TabithaHazel · 31/03/2022 11:37

It's so chilling that these pronoun fanatics think they are so in the right that bragging about something like this on social media seemed like a good idea to her. Must have thought her opinions and her were untouchable. I really hope she gets kicked out of medical school.

Torunette · 31/03/2022 11:35

It's this sort of story, whether true or not, that fuels "us and them" to the point you end up with civil conflict and a country's partition.

I'm getting to the point where I don't think the US can last in its current federal form. There's just too many Chris Rocks being publicly slapped by Will Smiths for saying the wrong thing.

Del Rosario is just one of those Will Smiths.