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Laetitia Ky

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HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 08:04

Thought this Guardian article might be of interest. Laetitia is an Ivorian woman who makes sculptures from her hair. Lots of them are political.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/mar/31/some-people-are-freaked-out-how-laetitia-ky-tackles-abortion-sexism-and-race-with-her-extraordinary-hair

I've been aware of her for a year or two now, she's brilliant, but this is the first I'd heard of her attracting Western criticism for her discussion of sex as a reason for African women's oppression. The absolute fucking cheek of it.

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HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 18:42

Ooh and also she has a book out next month!

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HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 18:40

I really like the shell one at the seaside!

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ArcheryAnnie · 31/03/2022 16:54

She's amazing. That period one with the red flow- wow.

HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 16:43

Would be interesting to get teenage takes on it.

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IcakethereforeIam · 31/03/2022 14:52

@Brefugee, too much listening to, probably well-intentioned, but ill-informed tra's (who are also children) and less than 5 seconds of actual thought. They're young, they'll grow. I blush at some of the rubbish I thought at their age. We don't talk about this subject now, there's only so much bubble bursting a child can take. In their defence, although staggeringly naive (my god, it is Evian spelled backwards), they're loyal to and concerned for their friends. I think a little cognitive dissonance is to be expected. I'm going to show them this article when they're back.

FunnyTalks · 31/03/2022 14:36

She's fab isn't she.

Hilariously this article has been shared by a couple of my "kind" friends who I presume didn't actually read all the way through.

MidCenturyClegs · 31/03/2022 14:35

@MidCenturyClegs

What a fabulous article. Thank you for sharing OP!
And a fabulous woman!
MidCenturyClegs · 31/03/2022 14:35

What a fabulous article. Thank you for sharing OP!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 14:13

That looks very interesting, Embarrassing, will give it a watch later.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 31/03/2022 14:11

@MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis

So everything needs to be decolonised in the UK and supposed colonisation will be frantically called out, including university physics departments, but it is still totally ok to tell African people what to do and how to think. Got it.
There was a superb panel of speakers who spoke about this in a WHRC event: they referred to it as rainbow imperialism. E.g., Yeye Luisah Teish on Rainbow flag imperialism gave a fascinating overview of Yoruba traditions and how culture and traditions are ignored/suppressed by NGOs. She also shared her experience of being a black woman in the US.

Yeye:

LK's is the sort of art that shifts perspectives so that you literally see things differently.

picklemewalnuts · 31/03/2022 14:10

Stunningly beautiful art. Beautiful woman, too. So powerful.

Brefugee · 31/03/2022 13:59

@IcakethereforeIam what i meant was, if i understood what your children said, was that if they think white colonials imposed ideas of sex onto african colonies - how would they explain FGM which was around before white colonials, and is done to girls because of their sex. How can they reconcile a belief that colonials imposed ideas of sex onto Africa when African cultures already knew the differences (and not to concentrate only on FGM but there are coming of age rituals that are only performed on boys/young men too)

I was only interested to hear what young people might think about this.

HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 13:06

Yeah, FGM is one of the more forms of sex based oppression and it's extremely obvious when you spend more than 5 seconds thinking about it, as you say. It's not like five year old girls are getting asked about their gender identity before being cut, after all.

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IcakethereforeIam · 31/03/2022 12:59

@Brefugee, I'm not sure how to take your remarks about FGM. The youngest got the concept from the LBGT club at school. I put her right as much as I was able too. They know about FGM, it horrifies them, like I said 5 seconds of thought...
These bloody rabbit holes, soddin' everywhere. I'm going to look at art on Instagram.

Absurdle · 31/03/2022 12:27

I had absolutely no idea what to expect when I saw "makes sculptures from her hair," and it turns out I love it. I wasn't expecting the vibe to be so fun and cheeky when she's making such serious points.

I appreciate the Guardian publishing this, too. I don't see how anyone could read this interview and think that the TRAs have got a reasonable point. It is so obviously a nonsensical luxury belief and their antifeminism is coming through loud and clear too.

Brefugee · 31/03/2022 12:21

(sorry, i started writing my comment, went away came back finished and posted to see other pp had made the same point)

Brefugee · 31/03/2022 12:19

Well there are prominent campaigners against FGM - who have had FGM procedure as children - who are abused for being transphobic as though FGM has nothing to do with biological sex, so it isn't beyond the bounds of possiblity that other women get similar.

if you ever get on the topic @IcakethereforeIam how about asking your kids about that?

I'm a trans ally, but i do call out that kind of bullshit because it is harmful to everyone.

Eketahuna · 31/03/2022 12:05

Wow, she’s incredible. A proper feminist and unapologetic af.

IcakethereforeIam · 31/03/2022 11:33

I don't blame my kids either, if they were being racist I would not have laughed. It's so batshit, it wasn't something it even occurred to me to talk to them about. Mind you, 5 seconds of actually thinking about it...
The younger one especially is usually so cynical. They each have at least one trans friend though and I'm just their mum.

TheWayOfTheWorld · 31/03/2022 11:25

Do we think the tide is turning? There's a loads of people today on LinkedIn taking the piss out of the "ploughperson" lunch and so far no-one is screaming bigot and #bekind.

HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 11:20

@Ereshkigalangcleg

So everything needs to be decolonised in the UK and supposed colonisation will be frantically called out, including university physics departments, but it is still totally ok to tell African people what to do and how to think. Got it.

Yep, if you're higher in the hierarchy of oppression, like MTF trans people. See also attacks on FGM campaigners Hibo Wardere and Jana Cornell.

White feminists, both of them. Unlike actually white TWAW ones, obviously.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 11:19

So western male born individuals are trying to commandeer an African woman's platform and shame her for not using it to further their agenda.

There are probably many of their dimwitted female allies doing it too, to be fair. I've certainly seen this with regards to FGM where on Twitter you had white American women telling Jana Cornell she should call it "non consensual genital mutilation" to be inclusive of both sexes of trans people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 11:16

So everything needs to be decolonised in the UK and supposed colonisation will be frantically called out, including university physics departments, but it is still totally ok to tell African people what to do and how to think. Got it.

Yep, if you're higher in the hierarchy of oppression, like MTF trans people. See also attacks on FGM campaigners Hibo Wardere and Jana Cornell.

HardyBuckette · 31/03/2022 10:03

@IcakethereforeIam

She's amazing, I'm still smiling from reading the article. My kids tried telling me that sex was a colonial imposition on Africa, actually it could have been gender, I was laughing too much and they weren't very clear. I'm going to remember this artist's name.
That in itself is just so horribly racist. I don't blame your kids, they didn't come up with that by themselves, but imagine saying Africans were unable to understand sex until white people and Arabs came along to educate them?! It's awful.
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MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 31/03/2022 10:02

So everything needs to be decolonised in the UK and supposed colonisation will be frantically called out, including university physics departments, but it is still totally ok to tell African people what to do and how to think. Got it.

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