Breaking news - Emily won't compete

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Totally agree. That's the side of this I come down on. But I do think it would be valuable to point out to IW (and their supporters) that Male athletes who have artificially reduced their testosterone to 5/aka "acceptable" still have levels WAY above what is legally acceptable for Female athletes to participate with

She also distanced herself from making decisions - "it's for the scientists". Pretty sure that's NOT the line Labour would take (or want to be seen taking) about abortion. "It's for the doctors to decide, we could t possibly have a view".

If self-appointed allies need to disseminate this level of misinformation and disinformation, it's bewildering at best and actively harmful. It would prompt me to question why this is thought to be acceptable advocacy.

There is no reason why transwomen can't compete in sport either- they are able to compete in the category that matches their biological sex. It's transmen that frankly have no real choices- they cannot compete against women because of the advantages of taking testosterone and they cannot compete against men for obvious reasons. Funny how the discussion is never around what is 'fair' or how 'difficult' it must be for them. I wonder why that is....

It is a welcome statement, but we need far more reassurance about the future and from other sports. You should not be able to chemically alter your hormones, change your name and hey presto enter any competition, far deeper checks and balances and protections are needed. The strength, biology and make up of individuals and not just hormone levels.

I got the vibe that the Tory MP had been briefed about #bekind and #brave, and wasn't 100% sure of himself and overegged it. He was nodding furiously along with the Telegraph bloke who brought it back a bit more into reality

Stella's turned me tory. To sit here and listen to a panel of highly privileged men and women have no regard for women and their rights to fair sport actually makes me feel sick. How are our politicians and media so thick? I hate their luxury beliefs and their pretentiousness .. I hate them.

I agree, littlbrowndog - it's so patronising.

The suicide line has been so thoroughly debunked by now she's either woefully uninformed (which is unforgivable) or being deliberately misleading (also unforgivable.)

I can't help wondering if eventually they'll have to create a new category of sport for CIS Women. It shouldn't have to happen but at the moment it's the only option I can see that would resolve the issue.

Why does creasy always say this stuff

Most marginalised. Legion suicide

If I was a transgender person I would be dead angry being treated like a child and to be pitied

She’s an idiot. And a patronising one at that

I agree, it's not fucking difficult.

I honestly don't understand what all the chest beating and gnashing of teeth is about trying to find a fair way for athletes to compete.

Just say no to ALL men in women's sports!!! It's not rocket science.

And why the hell is British Cycling such a misogynistic organisation? Why don't THEY know the rules?!

Well, you can spend large sums of money achieving tiny, marginal gains that add up to race winning differences of 0.5—1% or you can accept the inadvertently high value, low cost gift horse of the sort of 10-15% difference that Bridges represents. All BC has to do is abandon any notion of fairness or pretence to be interested in the sustainability of women's sports…

@Bellatrix - I was born in the 70s - v happy to go back to the good old days of the 1980s when Boy George, Marilyn et al could put on a frock and lipstick without needing to claim they were actual women.

It's just another attempt at silencing people who disagree - you're all perverts!!!

It's TRA DARVOspeak.

@bellabelly I have no idea how you would achieve elite status when everyone you trained with was having growth spurts and you weren't.

It's certainly how I get my rocks off on a Thursday lunchtime, Cwenthryth! It's just another attempt at silencing people who disagree - you're all perverts!!!

Creasy - "suicide levels are legion" in trans community

Pants on fire, and even if it were true, why the fuck would it be relevant to women's sport?

Legion is a very large number.

@bellabelly what year do we set it to? 😁

I was born in the late 80s and when i was a teenager in the early/mid 00s things were NOT like this

Haha. Stella thinks that a woman is an adult human female but that includes men who become women (so can have a penis). Well that’s clear then. Asking for clarity means we want titillation, apparently!

What a useless article. It doesn't say WHY Emily can't compete. Which rule has Emily broken?? That would be helpful to know.

And why the hell is British Cycling such a misogynistic organisation? Why don't THEY know the rules?!

The mind boggles.

Creasy - "suicide levels are legion" in trans community

There is no hope.