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JulesJules · 31/03/2022 18:19

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hotdogsjumpingfrogs · 31/03/2022 18:09

She is a PhD student! They couldn't get someone with an actual qualification????

IvyTwines · 31/03/2022 18:08

Amazing how quickly that famous BBC 'balance' gets thrown out the window when it's something that negatively impacts women.

IvyTwines · 31/03/2022 18:04

Absolutely fucking furious. A really big sports story with massive implications for the sporting activity and chances for half the population, several major sports stars past and present getting involved, something that any journalist with a nose for a story would have been gagging to cover back before it all went mad.

And what have we got? Not a peep on BBC Radio 5, the supposed sports channel, nada as far as I've seen on BBC TV, and the historically biased and thoroughly stonewalled male Evan Davis interviewing another male with this absurd and offensive take on PM.

Clymene · 31/03/2022 18:02

I fucking hate Evan Davis. He is a disgustingly bigoted misogynist and shouldn't be presenting news programmes. He's so blatantly biased

JulesJules · 31/03/2022 18:01

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hotdogsjumpingfrogs · 31/03/2022 17:59

I just listened to this! It's outrageous.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 17:54

Evan Davis on the PM programme on Radio 4 tackled this. Mentioned Lia Thomas. Guess who the expert was?

Joanna Harper.

Who was all about reduced testosterone. And anyway sport is never fair. Transwomen who are sincere are women, they're under-represented, and they won't take over women's sport. At least Harper acknowledged that the science isn't settled.

Davis was far less confident pushing the gender identity ideology. He knows this is ridiculous and knows being a cheerleader here is unwise.

lobbymp · 31/03/2022 17:18

@oakleaffy

Men don’t belong in Female Sports categories. This is why they have men and women’s categories.

Sick of hearing about cheating men.

This this and more this

sacredfeminina · 31/03/2022 15:30

No wait... That is utterly IRRELEVANT.

sacredfeminina · 31/03/2022 15:30

Thinking about Stella's remark about suicide. I think she's got a point. Why don't we just use womens sport as a mental crutch for society's psychologically vulnerable? We could just turn institutions and let sll the patients race eachother. Thats sure to help them and it would be so kind and inclusive!

DameHelena · 31/03/2022 15:19

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Where and what ARE the suicide stats? I can't find anything much online

This string will return a number of threads that discuss these on MN—Creasey's vagueness means that she isn't pinned to any specific set of statistics or numbers for any particular age groups or even any specific countries of parts of the world. There are various misinterpreted surveys…

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights trans suicide stats

Thanks so much.

Runningupthecurtains · 31/03/2022 15:15

Oh India the Peter Crouch argument is woeful! While being exceptionally tall conferred him an advantage over smaller players in a few aspects of the game the lower centre of gravity, greater acceleration, ability to make tighter turns etc give the smaller players advantage over him which is why, unlike basketball, football is not more or less exclusively played at a professional level by very tall people.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 31/03/2022 14:47

It's essentially allowing athletes to take performance modifying drugs which isn't acceptable at any other point other than facilitating men to perform in women's categories, because they either feel special or won't be able to compete at the level required in the actual male category.

Fizbosshoes · 31/03/2022 14:44

The testosterone levels are a slight red herring though as most, if not all the other physiological advantages to being an adult biological male (eg the hip angle etc that Sharron Davies mentioned) don't go away with hormone treatments.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 31/03/2022 14:37

Where and what ARE the suicide stats? I can't find anything much online

This string will return a number of threads that discuss these on MN—Creasey's vagueness means that she isn't pinned to any specific set of statistics or numbers for any particular age groups or even any specific countries of parts of the world. There are various misinterpreted surveys…

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights trans suicide stats

DameHelena · 31/03/2022 14:32

@WinterTrees

The suicide line has been so thoroughly debunked by now she's either woefully uninformed (which is unforgivable) or being deliberately misleading (also unforgivable.)

Where and what ARE the suicide stats? I can't find anything much online (apart from from groups like Mermaids...)

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 31/03/2022 13:59

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Well colour me shocked that Stella creasy who had her arse handed to her on mumsnet for being unable to define what a woman is, hasn’t a clue about how to keep men out of Women’s sports because it’s all sooooo haaaarrd but simultaneously wants more women and mothers in politics

And will, no doubt, be baffled that women who've given birth may find no space for them on an all women shortlist that is populated with the Stunning and Brave.

oakleaffy · 31/03/2022 13:57

@Chrysanthemum5

Jeremy Vine came so close to saying the unsayable though. Talking about female to male transgender individuals, and how they don't compete against men, and he started to say that basically there would be no point as they wouldn't stand a chance. But then held back, and put on his special voice, and said he didn't want to say anything.

Jeremy Vine and his “ Special voice”

I’ll have to listen to that. 🙂

oakleaffy · 31/03/2022 13:55

Men don’t belong in Female Sports categories.
This is why they have men and women’s categories.

Sick of hearing about cheating men.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 31/03/2022 13:44

Well colour me shocked that Stella creasy who had her arse handed to her on mumsnet for being unable to define what a woman is, hasn’t a clue about how to keep men out of Women’s sports because it’s all sooooo haaaarrd but simultaneously wants more women and mothers in politics

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 13:43

The suicide line has been so thoroughly debunked by now she's either woefully uninformed (which is unforgivable) or being deliberately misleading (also unforgivable.)

I'd imagine the second is more likely. She's not stupid, and she's proved quite manipulative at times.

Chrysanthemum5 · 31/03/2022 13:42

Jeremy Vine came so close to saying the unsayable though. Talking about female to male transgender individuals, and how they don't compete against men, and he started to say that basically there would be no point as they wouldn't stand a chance. But then held back, and put on his special voice, and said he didn't want to say anything.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 31/03/2022 13:23

@MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis

I can't help wondering if eventually they'll have to create a new category of sport for CIS Women.

Men would just claim to be ‘cis’ women though.

We don't need to use "CIS" woman is anacceotable definition in and of itself.

MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 31/03/2022 13:17

I can't help wondering if eventually they'll have to create a new category of sport for CIS Women.

Men would just claim to be ‘cis’ women though.