Breaking news - Emily won't compete

Good.

How and why was she competing as a male around a month ago. How can you attempt to switch competitions so swiftly?!

Creasey is an embarrassment. Apparently we shouldn't be obsessed with what is in people's underwear. Was she the one who couldn't say what a woman is recently? She's literally just said a woman is an Adult Human Female BUT some women are born male. Sigh. Can I sneak into your time machine, Bellatrix?

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Stella - "some women have penises"

So, they’ve just played a clip of Sajid Javid saying “it should be about sex not gender, and sex is biological sex”

Stella Creasy thinks it’s not for politicians to comment

Bit concerning on BBC2 that it's all:

• research isn't there
• focus on elite athletes
• focus on bravery of trans

This misses:

• biological reality, as though women can form the answer in the form of being research objects
• we won't have elite female athletes if women's sport becomes mixed sex
• no recognition of the silencing of FEMALE ATHLETES

Stella creasy

Pure idiot

Clip of Sajid Javid saying that categories should be based on biological sex rather than gender. Good.

Is this not telling? I have only seen/heard male to female competitors in multiple sports
Surely if it’s as equal as these committees say we would see everyone and anyone qualifying both ways?
The biological woman is at a disadvantage in both scenarios. Transmen would be at a disadvantage against biological males, in the majority of sports.
But biological women are also at a disadvantage if TW are allowed to compete against them in sport.

I tried to explain this to my teen DD who is insistent that TWAW. She agreed but said it was transphobic if trans athletes weren't allowed to compete.

I would love to go back in a time machine to when the world was at least a little bit more sane.

She's already said the gender of a refugee isn't relevant. (Different topic but the discussion was on women and children refugees)
I missed that. I mean she’s not wrong the gender of a refugee isn’t relevant! I think Creasy is woefully naive on women’s rights issues around gender self ID, but that she spoke very well just now on refugee issues

So far conversation is dull and predictable

Trans sport campaigner claiming transwomen don’t have any physical advantage

Tory MP actually just said “most marginalised people in society” (really?)

Now the debate itself is transphobic, apparently.

Yawn

[quote bellabelly]@ATrifleofFun - that's a good point. I suppose people think that it would avoid trans women having the bone density, muscle strength etc that comes with male puberty.[/quote]
They would probably want to access under 12 or under 14 categories as in the vast majority of sports they would not be able to compete with adults.

None of the bbc2 lot are saying very much - it's a sensitive issue, etc etc.

@ATrifleofFun - that's a good point. I suppose people think that it would avoid trans women having the bone density, muscle strength etc that comes with male puberty.

Talking about it on BBC2 now.

I don't understand the argument about them having puberty blockers before puberty. They aren't the problem. Noone stuck in their childhood body will be an elite swimmer or cyclist. Maybe a gymnast? The effects on bone development would limit sports for them massively.

This is actually very heartening. Having listened to an awful lot of these discussions on radio over the last 5 years, I've never heard one that was so uninhibited in its support of women.

So many wise women here said it would be sport that would tip the balance.

I'm listening now too.

Honestly I have to step away from this all at times. Genuinely it's affecting my mental health- I cannot believe how absolutely insane things are these days.

I can't believe there's even a debate about whether it's fair for men to compete against women.

That parent of the non-binary child- what utter rubbish.

I’m not aware of all the issues so please excuse any ignorance but I haven’t heard of any female to male transgender people being able to compete within any male sports.
Is this not telling? I have only seen/heard male to female competitors in multiple sports.
Surely if it’s as equal as these committees say we would see everyone and anyone qualifying both ways?

Mother of NB child now phoning in. 'Born with a female body.' JV failing to grasp what NB means. Frankly, the explanation isn't doing much to help.

I'm not sure what point the caller is making. Surely their female-bodied NB child wouldn't want to play sport with women?

About bloody time!

I'm glad the issue is getting plenty of press coverage. It's like the world is waking up a bit.