Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Wes Streeting!

115 replies

tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 10:23

To JHB: “Men have penises. Women have vaginas. Here ends the biology lesson. Some people have gender dysphoria and transition to another gender, and we should respect that.”

Roughly what he said.

JHB stunned.

OP posts:
DogsDinner · 30/03/2022 22:07

Well you may be right tabbycat, even if he is acting in bad faith, I suppose it is a step up for him to acknowledge that there is a clash of rights.

Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 21:10

‘Women have vaginas, but do they also have penises? That is the question.’

And the answer is different depending on whether you view the question through a legal or a literal lens, and different again if you see it through a ‘gender identity’ lens. I agree with you that Streeting seems to believe ‘TWAW’. He also recognises the legitimacy of the perspectives of people who disagree with him. That is a beginning.

OP posts:
DogsDinner · 30/03/2022 21:07

I don’t for one second believe Wes Streeting has changed his mind on this issue, and if he has, he should come right out and say so.

Women have vaginas, but do they also have penises? That is the question.

To borrow from a previous poster, I suspect Wes is indeed intending to get to the same destination by a different route. AKA tell women what they want to hear, but don’t let them read the small print. Labour has form for this.

And what is this debate we’re supposed to be having? Is it a debate about how we can provide additional spaces for trans people so they can be catered for in all areas, leaving women’s things for women?

I rather suspect that’s not the debate he wants to have though.

teawamutu · 30/03/2022 19:28

@nevercis

Streeting is a master political opportunist with a nose for which way the wind is blowing. The positive take away from this is he senses women are winning.

I still don't trust him an inch.

Yes, all of this. Glad to see that anti-women is looking like a vote-loser and the rats are edging towards the gang plank.

Still going to need to see a LOT more before I vote for the bastards again, mind you.

nevercis · 30/03/2022 18:53

Streeting is a master political opportunist with a nose for which way the wind is blowing. The positive take away from this is he senses women are winning.

I still don't trust him an inch.

Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 18:04

He made Angela Rayner look a right one, as well. Bonus.

OP posts:
sessell · 30/03/2022 18:03

Wes has been speaking sense on this for a while, and he's able to make it make sense in a range of settings, which makes me think he genuinely gets it. I thought he was very good on BBC QT a couple of weeks ago as well.

Tanith · 30/03/2022 17:53

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Wes Streeting knows that the reason Labour politicians are being asked this question over and over is because it makes them look like complete idiots, and the media love it when politicians look like total fools. He knows no one is buying the word salady answers. Ultimately he, and probably loads of others in the top of the party, knows that this issue is not a vote winner and things are going to need to change.

I really, really feel like the tide is starting to properly turn. Owen Jones knows it to, going by his little piss taking tantrum on Twitter today.

I think you're right and I see no problem with an MP changing his mind: as the Conservatives did a few years ago.

Isn't that what people want? A change of mind in those with the authority to do something about it?

Now that Wes Streeting has come up with a decent answer, we'll see more doing the same. A pity Keir Starmer, Rishi Sunak etc. couldn't be better prepared for the question, of course, but it's a start.

ScribblingPixie · 30/03/2022 17:01

@jkrfan

I bet he is still in favour of self-id. It is after all a Labour policy.
Yeah, I'm sure he said something on Twitter a while ago about taking a different route to the same destination.
Hasselhoffsheadband · 30/03/2022 16:50

Wes Streeting knows that the reason Labour politicians are being asked this question over and over is because it makes them look like complete idiots, and the media love it when politicians look like total fools. He knows no one is buying the word salady answers. Ultimately he, and probably loads of others in the top of the party, knows that this issue is not a vote winner and things are going to need to change.

I really, really feel like the tide is starting to properly turn. Owen Jones knows it to, going by his little piss taking tantrum on Twitter today.

Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 16:49

I’m not voting for them. He’s sane and he’s telling the truth (I think), and that’s a start. But there is a marathon on for Labour and they all need to realise they’re running in the wrong direction.

OP posts:
jkrfan · 30/03/2022 16:45

I bet he is still in favour of self-id. It is after all a Labour policy.

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2022 16:41

@DogsDinner

But how do we respect men who are transitioning? By letting them use women’s spaces? Unless he makes it clear that women’s rights remain for females with biological vaginas, then we’re no further on.

I suppose it does at least suggest that there’s a dim realisation that this is a big issue for women.

I agree it’s the woolly statements like this one that need clear simple definitions. Otherwise it’s just more bumpf.
JellySaurus · 30/03/2022 16:34

Some people transition to another gender, and we should respect that.

What does he mean by "we should respect that"? What does 'respecting that' involve?

Crumbs, tainted crumbs.

Terfeywithallthetrimmings · 30/03/2022 15:41

The awful truth of the matter is that, thanks to the loony and totally reprehensible legal lie that is the GRA, "women" CAN have a penis. Labour MPs know this and this is why they cannot answer the question. To answer honestly would inform the general public just that little bit too much because reasonable people would then want that law repealed and that is the opposite of what Labour plans to do with self ID. Don't trust them. They don't care about women. They are no doubt spending hours behind closed doors thinking up cleverer and cleverer ways of answering the penis question without mentioning the GRA.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 30/03/2022 15:36

There's too much damage been done.

You only have to look at Dr Richard Quinton's evidence today in the 'Gender GP' Webberley tribunal hearing to see how fucking horrific the consequences of gender woo have been for some children.

jkrfan · 30/03/2022 15:25

@SamphiretheStickerist

Well, I am not going to stand in his way if he wants to change his mind.

I might even give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on seeing sense.

But I wouldn't trust him...

Spot on....you should not trust any of the former enthusiasts.
jkrfan · 30/03/2022 15:23

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove

No man should be given a special certificate to pretend he is a woman. Self ID is bullshit and making it as easy as getting a bus pass to change legal sex is ridiculous.

I am now a full on GRA atheist.

Thanks to the TRAs for that.

It doesn't matter what form of words MPs like him (who have been full on TWAW) decide is less of a vote loser/makes them look less deranged and out of touch with reality; if the Labour Party/LibDem/SNP/Green keep their intention to allow full self-id in Law. Please do not let them off the hook too easily. We know where they really stand. The Conservatives have not intimidated/expelled anyone for not believing in Gender Identity Ideology. They need to continue rolling the overreach back and maybe even repealing GRA.
Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 15:19

Yes, it’s a working class community and he’s working class. He knows this sort of thing doesn’t go down very well.

OP posts:
SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 30/03/2022 15:12

His constituency is Ilford North, which has swung between Labour - Tory - Labour etc over the years since it was created.

It's probably not best suited to embracing the gender woo. It's more 'pint of lager and a fruit based drink for the lady' territory.

He has to sell something credible to his constituents at the next election; and 'women have penises' isn't it.

SamphiretheStickerist · 30/03/2022 15:11

Well, I am not going to stand in his way if he wants to change his mind.

I might even give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on seeing sense.

But I wouldn't trust him...

Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 15:09

Lammy.

OP posts:
IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2022 15:06

Wheh...Wes Stree...oh my stars and garters! And here's me with only 8% on my tablet.
Which one thought men could grow a cervix?

Original poster
tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 14:53

We are further on (at least with him). He recognises that it is a legitimate debate. He is telling the truth about biology. I’m happy to debate people who say TW should be able to use female spaces:

  • which TW?
  • what exactly is a TW?
  • which spaces?

The reason he’s so hated by the activists is that he gives the game away. He admits you can distinguish between transwomen and women, and he admits there may be rights conflicts.

OP posts:
DogsDinner · 30/03/2022 14:48

But how do we respect men who are transitioning? By letting them use women’s spaces? Unless he makes it clear that women’s rights remain for females with biological vaginas, then we’re no further on.

I suppose it does at least suggest that there’s a dim realisation that this is a big issue for women.

Swipe left for the next trending thread