Men asked if pregnant before x-rays

The IT systems really don't help. We have been discussing how to get an alert on a woman's record when she has eg had a hysterectomy and no chance of getting pregnant and as yet don't seem to be able to achieve even something as simple as this.

It means young women with cancer of the cervix for instance and extremely ill and NO reproductive organs left still get asked if they could be pregnant. Most understand and give good natured replies but it's pretty awful that they get asked this EVERY time they come for a CT scan or whatever.

I am in no way defending this practice, it's clearly ridiculous, but I'm wondering if it really is a rule at most places?

As I said above, there is no such rule that you must ask at my hospital, but I've noticed a number of staff insist on doing so, usually as loudly as possible along with sighing and eye rolling saying "you never know these days" or "sorry, it's the rule to ask" (it definitely isn't!) I'm not sure what point they are trying to make but I feel so embarrassed when they practically yell at some 60 year old lady "are you pregnant! You never know!". Cringe!

This is really strange. I'm a radiographer and we have one generic form for all patients, but this is no excuse. Just because a question is on a form, it doesn't mean you have to ask it out loud and wait for the answer. If I note that the patient is male, or female not of childbearing age, I just tick "no" myself and move on to the next question.

I wonder how far we are from being denied health care if we won't answer stupid questions like 'what is your gender identity?'

Lots of computerised systems won't let you move on till you've completed a field so it will be 'comply or else'.

I also share the worries that there'll be massive confusion around who can and who can't get pregnant if this shit show continues. It'll be females who bear the brunt, as ever.

so what happens when we've blurred the lines so much that kids no longer grow up knowing who can and can't get pregnant? because that's the way we're heading.

Teaching kids that girls can have penises and boys can have vaginas, that men can have babies and sex doesn't matter.

Men currently will either be offended ny the question or laugh it off but we're not far off a generation who won't be clear on how sex works

But this, then, means that the possible gender dysphoria trans men would experience if only they, among men, were asked, is seen as more important to avoid than causing possible gender dysphoria or discomfort to enormous numbers of male people.

It is useful to see that spelled out, because it means valuing one type of people lots more than other types of people, and it also means that trans men don't have to accept the reality of their sex in any contexts, even the medical one, but other people must accept that they have to play along with the trans men's rules.

[quote JessHopeThinks]Is this true? twitter.com/benjamincohen/status/1508732229626875906?s=21&t=UhiovhTQacVPr1a0CUBhow[/quote]
1 I'd like to see the form.

2 If the forms in some trusts are generic, why are they squandering the scarce resource of staff time by making staff talk someone through the form rather than allowing people to complete the form themselves?

Is this true? twitter.com/benjamincohen/status/1508732229626875906?s=21&t=UhiovhTQacVPr1a0CUBhow

I am not anti trans nor a TERF but fuck me this is madness! As an ex NHS employee I would not have felt comfortable asking a man if he was pregnant - they would seriously doubt my sanity.

Excellent Vulvamort threads relevant to the NHS and their problem with sex:

1. The 'single sex' hospital ward lie

1. What's on your medical record: sex or gender?

Hahahahaha! We've reached peak lunacy!

Aside from the men who think they're being mocked or asked culturally inappropriate questions, this is going to have no impact on men as a sex class. However, I'm open to suggestions for the latter as I'm so tired at the moment that they may be something unbelievably obvious that I'm overlooking.

It will surely be very triggering for a trans man to be asked if they could be pregnant though? So, one would think, if this were really about inclusivity and making people comfortable, a different approach would be used?

On the other hand, I can imagine that some transwomen would be thrilled to be asked this question.....

It IS interesting to see which groups in the society matter and which do not. Whose identities are validated and whose identities are erased in that process (as in those of all people who place them on their sex). How very tiny groups matter much, much more than bog-standard women. How it is now fashionable to redefine those bog standard women as the true oppressors. How clarity in health information is deemed less important than the identities of a small group. And how stating any of this is stamped as bigotry.

What was once so obviously a joke, we're now in a "couldn't make it up" position.

It's like if you make up a sexual orientation, you can be sure that it returns a result on the internet, or that you'd at least be believed.

The one benefit I see in this for political purposes is that now men are experiencing some of that erasure we have been complaining about for years. Maybe they will become more supportive of the issues?

Our patient electronic record system used to have a field that was patient sex. 2 yrs ago it changed to 'gender', no Trust wide announcement to update users, it just appeared one day. Now sex is a private matter for the patient to divulge when they want to, and for the rest of us to walk the tightrope of not knowing all the necessary info for procedures, alongside the risk of censure if we dare ask or make reference to sex in a way that someone deems offensive. Don't think all staff want to participate in denying material reality as it's due the heavy-handed censure from management who create these policies. If unions are also in thrall to this neo-religion then you have nobody official on your side. We probably need crowdfunded legal cases of NHS staff taking employers to task for expecting staff to violate basic principles of truth, safeguarding, Nolan etc.

Whilst we're on the subject of Liverpool hospitals, can we just once again remind ourselves that the Liverpool Women's Hospital have made the women's toilets "open for everyone" and left the men's toilets just for men.

I'm totally confused about who this question is supposed to validate to be honest.

Ok

So how do we put a STOP to this runaway train??

What are the snowflakes going to do next?? Complain when they're asked to roll their sleeve up for a blood test? Men can get a grip and answer a simple question, just as infertile women do

It's like the men who hilariously and with complete originality, every time they're visiting someone in a maternity ward, say, "Not this time, or I don't think so" in response to, "Are you the father?

🤦‍♀️ I wonder if the Dad Joke Reflex might cause NHS staff enough annoyance to get this brilliant inclusive initiative shelved.