what is the difference between trans ideology and male supremacy?

VelvetChairGIrl, feminists line up to defend the trans form of male supremacy for two reasons (other than the need to be seen as kind):

1. They misunderstand and misuse the concept of intersectionality so that it is no longer about understanding, e.g., how the different axes of oppression intersect when one of them is the sex-based axis, but about how many different types of oppression a person might simultaneously experience, even if that person is not of the female sex. Other types of social justice obviously matter, but I don't think it is a particularly feminist task to, say, fix the problems a poor gay man experiences. I can fully support and fund those who do attend to his problems, but if fixing them becomes the job for feminists, then feminism cannot achieve anything because it will be spread so thinly.

1. They use (whether knowingly or not) the concept of Oppression Olympics, where certain types of oppression are rated higher than others and always deserve to be given priority. This is the case even when the 'winning' oppression has nothing to do with the oppression of women.

Thus, very very few feminists dared to write about the mass harassment of women in Cologne a few years ago, because the victims were largely white and the harassers mostly came from North Africa. The reluctance was due to race/religion being rated above sex in the Oppression Olympics. The most some feminists stated was that mass sexual harassment in a public open space is nothing new in Europe and that European men have sexually harassed women for centuries. The latter is true, the former is absolutely untrue.

Trans women are now seen as the winner in the Oppression Olympics over women who never transitioned, sometimes even when the former are, say, white and the latter black. Not being transphobe is then regarded as being more important than not being sexist and misogynist.

Incidentally, trans women are certainly harassed and mistreated, but not by gender critical feminists or feminists of any sort. But the transgender rates of being victims of homicide are, in fact, lower than the rates at which men, in general, are killed outside South America.

Yet we are repeatedly told that this is not the case, but that such homicides are common and become more common unless trans women are allowed to win the Oppression Olympics.

@mamamia1234 trans ideology doesn't promote strict adherence to gender roles.

''In the case of gender, cis- describes the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex.''
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

All the teenagers I know have accepted without question the idea that TQ+ is rightfully part of the same community as LGB. In their eyes questioning TRA ideology is the same as homophobia. GC people (men and women, none of them in any way bigoted) that I know in real life don't feel able to openly challenge this for fear of repercussions including consequences at work.

Thanks for the biggest laugh of the day to this poster:

"trans ideology doesn't promote strict adherence to gender roles."

Male supremacists don't tend to gave blue hair or dress like a porn-originated idea of a woman.

The difference? My guess would be that you don't tend to see feminists lining up to defend male supremacy.

Swirly skirts, that's it.

Oh and head tilts, the hand on the chin to cover the Adam's apple.

I'm sure there's more but not many

But yes. The mask is slipping. I don’t think it’s indefinitely sustainable. The ugly truth is already starting to come out, and the current sporting heroes are doing a great job of shining sunlight on the issue for those who were hitherto unaware.

Best case scenario this ultimately makes a lot more people aware of the extent and reality of misogyny in the western world, not just those other places “over there”, and makes feminism something the majority of women and girls actually want to be a part of. Real feminism, obvs, not the dick pandering kind.

The difference is that TRAs try to gaslight you into believing its not a male rights movement, its the cuckooing version.

I want to nominate this thread for Classics. Or at least beg MNHQ not to delete it until I've printed it out. These are simple, easy to understand posts that get straight to the heart of the problem.
We need to turn then into memes and stickers.

If there were no gender roles at all, how would anyone even be able to be trans? What would they be transitioning to or from?

Of course it all depends on rigidly enforced gender roles and stereotypes. You can’t actually change sex, obviously, so there isn’t anything else.

Like the endless wangling on about allowing special male people to compete in female sports.

Their feelings mustn’t be hurt. They must be validated. They mustn’t be put in the impossible position of having to choose between medical procedures to make them more closely resemble the opposite sex, and their sporting career. They absolutely mustn’t be deprived of something they want.

Women, OTOH, just have to put up with all the negative impacts that arise from allowing males into their sports, because that’s being “kind” and “inclusive”, and they have to darned well be happy about it too.

It’s male supremacism writ large for sure.

Spotted this on Twitter. It seems to suggest the difference is the wearing of wigs to hide their male-pattern baldness.

Both are predicated on the view that a male person's wishes and feelings and choices are intrinsically more important than a female person's access, equality and safety. The double standards of what male people are seen as entitled to and what female people are required to just shut up and suck up (reframe your trauma, unlearn your sexuality, NAMALT, yada yada) is also classic.

Exactly this. In both ideologies, male people are the only full human beings, while female people are relegated to the role of service/support humans.

Both profoundly misogynistic. Just one more upfront about it.

Gender identity ideology is an insistence on gender roles

Yup. complete with the labels, stereotypes and pronouns. The whole mess we're in is because of ideology enforced by the activists, uncritical academia, male ego's and the well-intentioned authoritarians.

You also seem confused about trans ideology. It is literally based upon strict adherence to gender roles. To the point where one changes one's body to match the appropriate gender role and if one doesn't adhere to either one is "non binary". Much like any religion, the position of atheist is not even acknowledged!

Also interesting to reflect on the actual original meaning of 'oppression' which involved the useful and desired provision of labour to other more powerful groups.

And also the age old linked concept of female biology as being a male owned resource.

Incel writings get quite interesting on this point, and have also a considerable basis in MRA/MS theory.